Thebrownblob
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Some pretty good spin he’s got.As @MAKAVELI would say, that's some pretty weak![]()
Some pretty good spin he’s got.As @MAKAVELI would say, that's some pretty weak![]()
Trump is pressuring Ukraine to surrender. That's weak as.
Probably use some tactic like thisIf you were to write Trump a letter about what we should do about the war in Ukraine, what would you say?
I know!!If you were to write Trump a letter about what we should do about the war in Ukraine, what would you say?
Those socks!!Probably use some tactic like this
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Symbolizes just how horrible the conditions are in Ukraine thanks to Trump!!Those socks!!
Damn Putin, lover, that Trump!Symbolizes just how horrible the conditions are in Ukraine thanks to Trump!!
Do you care about Israel? While we’ve all been arguing about Ukraine, Trump just gave them another few billion dollarsWell, how is it worked out so far? If you consider that I care about Ukraine, you’ve considered wrong. Not my fight, not my problem.
I don’t think we should be giving money to either, but I understand Israel has more strategic value.Do you care about Israel? While we’ve all been arguing about Ukraine, Trump just gave them another few billion dollars
2 things I don’t understand that Trump supporters always say, with all due respectAnd as Trump pointed out he gave the Ukrainians Javelins but Obama gave them sheets. But he's saying now that the war should have never happened and wouldn't have if he had been president. It's time to settle things and have peace. Nothing weak about this. Or do you want to see many more people die before getting the same result anyways?
Fair enough, but our military professionals say that Ukraine has just as much strategic value. It’s very rare for democrats and republicans to vote together on issues, and when you have the new Republican speaker of the house basically begging saying we need to do this, I think it’s worth looking at from different perspectivesI don’t think we should be giving money to either, but I understand Israel has more strategic value.
Not really a Trump supporter or detractor2 things I don’t understand that Trump supporters always say, with all due respect
1. They criticize Obama for not doing enough and NOT sending weapons, while also criticizing Biden for sending weapons.
2. The continuous claim that the invasion would not have happened if Trump was President. Why wouldn’t it have happened? What would have been the consequence for Russia by Trump had they invaded under his watch?
It has strategic value for Europe, but that’s their problem., And Trump tried to get Zelinski to make an agreement for the minerals, but Zelinski decided to be a punk and make himself a fool. I wouldn’t talk to Zelinski ever again. If I was Trump, Ukraine doesn’t have to have a new president, but they do not have to send that maroon to negotiate. You better read the room a little better president Zelinski.Fair enough, but our military professionals say that Ukraine has just as much strategic value. It’s very rare for democrats and republicans to vote together on issues, and when you have the new Republican speaker of the house basically begging saying we need to do this, I think it’s worth looking at from different perspectives
Trump had already told Putin during his first term that invading Ukraine was unacceptable. Biden not only watched the Russian buildup on the Ukrainian border but said he was ok with "a small incursion." Then turned around and started spending tens of billions to send Ukraine weapons. Most of that was spent on our defense contractors. That's the crux of the matter. We're getting into these forever wars where over time trillions are spent and our soldiers get killed. And why Trump was unpopular with the Pentagon brass. Those generals count on playing ball with the contractors so that they can land fat paychecks with them after they retire. But Trump was trying to get us out of wars and not start any new ones. The war in Ukraine is everything that's wrong with our system. Spending money we don't have while getting people killed that should've never even seen the violence. I was all for Ukraine defending its sovereignty from the bigger, more powerful country. But what would've been better is we took a stand, actually drawing a red line we enforced.2 things I don’t understand that Trump supporters always say, with all due respect
1. They criticize Obama for not doing enough and NOT sending weapons, while also criticizing Biden for sending weapons.
2. The continuous claim that the invasion would not have happened if Trump was President. Why wouldn’t it have happened? What would have been the consequence for Russia by Trump had they invaded under his watch?
If Putin fears and respects Trump, why doesn’t he leave Ukraine now?Not really a Trump supporter or detractor
1 not really as much criticism, but pointing out how hypocritical the Democrats are. They lost more land in Ukraine than Republicans.
2. Putin did not respect or fear Joe Biden he does Trump and he has no idea what Trump may or may not do if he crosses him.
A lot of this is predicated on the idea that Democrats actually care about Ukraine
Which is completely laughable. They cared about making their friends rich and laundering money the extra effect of sending Ukrainian soldiers to die in order to weaken Russia was just a little extra fun for them.
He's too invested at this point. If this continues we will have to send in troops to save Ukraine if Trump decides he wants to. So do we negotiate, fight, or let Ukraine continue on its own? What would you do?If Putin fears and respects Trump, why doesn’t he leave Ukraine now?