THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[Box Ox]

If you were to write Trump a letter about what we should do about the war in Ukraine, what would you say?

do we negotiate, fight, or let Ukraine continue on its own? What would you do?

Tell us plz.

 

[Doublestandards]

He's too invested at this point. If this continues we will have to send in troops to save Ukraine if Trump decides he wants to. So do we negotiate, fight, or let Ukraine continue on its own? What would you do?

I’m not qualified enough to make those decisions, but it almost seems like a waste to “give up now”. All that money and all those lives lost just for Russia to get what they want, get an easy out and get to go back and regroup and recharge and build back their military? To most likely come back for more later

Just seems like Russia is winning in this negotiation

 

[Thebrownblob]

If Putin fears and respects Trump, why doesn’t he leave Ukraine now?

Why should he have to? He knows this wasn’t Trump doing this was Biden.

 

[Box Ox]

it almost seems like a waste to “give up now”. All that money and all those lives lost just for Russia to get what they want, get an easy out and get to go back and regroup and recharge and build back their military? To most likely come back for more later

Just seems like Russia is winning in this negotiation

Will Ukraine likely be better off if the war ends soon or doesn't end soon?

 

[Doublestandards]

Why should he hast to? He knows this wasn’t Trump doing this was Biden.

It’s kind of weird to me how you’re criticizing zelensky and Biden more than Putin

Putin invaded Ukraine. He started this war. Biden was president, yes, but I really don’t understand the logic

They thought Biden was weak and its fault but also he’s to blame to for sending so many weapons and killing so many Russians. Which one is it?

 

[Doublestandards]

Will Ukraine likely be better off if the war ends soon or doesn't end soon?

That’s not an easy question. Going off Russias history, I would say if Ukraine “gives up” now” it will be “better off” for them in the short term but worse in the long

 

[vantexan]

I’m not qualified enough to make those decisions, but it almost seems like a waste to “give up now”. All that money and all those lives lost just for Russia to get what they want, get an easy out and get to go back and regroup and recharge and build back their military? To most likely come back for more later

Just seems like Russia is winning in this negotiation

All wars end eventually. Did you know in the last 15 years Russia has only built 12 of their most advanced fighter jets? That their industrial production is such that they can only build one of their latest tanks at a time? That they've had to draw on stored equipment from the Soviet days including WWII weapons? And as Trump pointed out the U.S. would have a vested interest in keeping Ukraine secure with our mining companies there extracting rare earth minerals. Putin isn't going to attack us. He's a lot of things but not stupid.

 

[Doublestandards]

All wars end eventually. Did you know in the last 15 years Russia has only built 12 of their most advanced fighter jets? That their industrial production is such that they can only build one of their latest tanks at a time? That they've had to draw on stored equipment from the Soviet days including WWII weapons? And as Trump pointed out the U.S. would have a vested interest in keeping Ukraine secure with our mining companies there extracting rare earth minerals. Putin isn't going to attack us. He's a lot of things but not stupid.

How long will we be mining there? What happens when we leave? What happens if they attack another area away from the mining? Does Ukraine get security assurances after the mining is finished?

 

[Pullman Brown]

 

[Thebrownblob]

It’s kind of weird to me how you’re criticizing zelensky and Biden more than Putin

Putin invaded Ukraine. He started this war. Biden was president, yes, but I really don’t understand the logic

They thought Biden was weak and its fault but also he’s to blame to for sending so many weapons and killing so many Russians. Which one is it?

Do you criticize a lion for eating an idiot that walks into his cage? You know exactly who. Putin is the weakness. Joe Biden showed allowed this. Exude weakness through your administration and the world catches on fire just like it did the last four years everywhere..

And according to half of the people who apparently are on your side, we just sent them our crap garbage artillery.

When did I say I cared about how many Russians were killed? I was talking about Ukrainians. Russia has a long history of allowing massive troop, casualties, and continuing on in wars. We fully expect them not to care about human life. We do not expect our side to feel the same.

 

[Doublestandards]

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It’s weird she doesn’t mention Israel when we just sent them another $3 billion this week

 

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[Thebrownblob]

It’s weird she doesn’t mention Israel when we just sent them another $3 billion this week

It’s not really weird. Especially when you want more money sent to Ukraine so which is it that you want? Not to mention the fact that Ukraine absolutely cannot win, and Israel definitely won’t lose. Doesn’t make me want to send money there, but I can certainly understand why some don’t think it’s as big an issue. Most people don’t like to spend their money on things they are doing no good. and having a poor outcome.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Not really a Trump supporter or detractor

1 not really as much criticism, but pointing out how hypocritical the Democrats are. They lost more land in Ukraine than Republicans.

2. Putin did not respect or fear Joe Biden he does Trump and he has no idea what Trump may or may not do if he crosses him.

A lot of this is predicated on the idea that Democrats actually care about Ukraine
Which is completely laughable. They cared about making their friends rich and laundering money the extra effect of sending Ukrainian soldiers to die in order to weaken Russia was just a little extra fun for them.

Yeah I don't think that's the reality of the situation. Biden was aligned with Europe and NATO. An attack against any NATO country would enact Article 5. Game Over for Putin. Putin knows he can manipulate Trump and that's exactly what he's doing.

 

[Pullman Brown]

It’s weird she doesn’t mention Israel when we just sent them another $3 billion this week

Zionism is always the elephant in the room. I agree with you but for totally different reasons. In regards to foreign aid and policy Israel controls us. We can have a good relationship with them but not the way we do now. And no to say that is not anti- Semitic.

 

[Doublestandards]

Do you criticize a lion for eating an idiot that walks into his cage? You know exactly who. Putin is the weakness. Joe Biden showed allowed this. Exude weakness through your administration and the world catches on fire just like it did the last four years everywhere..

And according to half of the people who apparently are on your side, we just sent them our crap garbage artillery.

When did I say I cared about how many Russians were killed? I was talking about Ukrainians. Russia has a long history of allowing massive troop, casualties, and continuing on in wars. We fully expect them not to care about human life. We do not expect our side to feel the same.

I didn’t mean to say you cared about Russians being killed, although I’m sure deep down you still do care, as do I, as it’s still “innocent” people being used like pawns.

My point was the argument is simultaneously “putin knows biden is weak and that’s why he invaded” and “thousands are dying and we need to stop the war”

While also saying Trump is anti war and this wouldn’t have happened under Trump. Well why wouldn’t it have happened under Trump? What would have been the consequences for Putin had he invaded under Trump? Sanctions and sending weapons? What more would Trump have done? Send American boots on the ground?

 

[vantexan]

How long will we be mining there? What happens when we leave? What happens if they attack another area away from the mining? Does Ukraine get security assurances after the mining is finished?

What you should be doing is looking at Russia's future as a country. Moscow and St. Petersburg are about the only viable cities left in the country as so many have moved to them from lesser cities. After the Soviet collapse a huge% of Russia's technologically skilled left the country. Their technical education system collapsed. They were depending on foreigners to run their mining and oil production facilities but they all left when the war started. Over a million Russian men fled the country when the war was about to begin. And Russia's demographics may have already been the world's worst. They're aging out. Putin knows all of this. That was why he decided to go in after Biden was elected. It was either then or never. I'm pretty certain he knows his time to conquer the country is up. But he also knows he can't just turn tail and run. Likely to get a bullet in his head. He has to have something to show for this mess. So what do you do, negotiate and give him the Donbas, or continue fighting until millions are dead and wounded? Get him into a corner where he might use nukes? I sense you want to take the onus off of Biden and put it on Trump. Trump's trying to find a way out. Not what we saw with three years of Biden.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Yeah I don't think that's the reality of the situation. Biden was aligned with Europe and NATO. An attack against any NATO country would enact Article 5. Game Over for Putin. Putin knows he can manipulate Trump and that's exactly what he's doing.

You don’t think it’s reality that Democrats have lost more land than Republicans and you’r blaming Republicans?

Ok

 

[Thebrownblob]

I didn’t mean to say you cared about Russians being killed, although I’m sure deep down you still do care, as do I, as it’s still “innocent” people being used like pawns.

My point was the argument is simultaneously “putin knows biden is weak and that’s why he invaded” and “thousands are dying and we need to stop the war”

While also saying Trump is anti war and this wouldn’t have happened under Trump. Well why wouldn’t it have happened under Trump? What would have been the consequences for Putin had he invaded under Trump? Sanctions and sending weapons? What more would Trump have done? Send American boots on the ground?

Never said Trump was anti-war And of course I care about the Russian troops, but my point was we know the Russia does not care. The west is supposed to Ukrainians to certain death should not be high on our list.

 

[Doublestandards]

It’s not really weird. Especially when you want more money sent to Ukraine so which is it that you want? Not to mention the fact that Ukraine absolutely cannot win, and Israel definitely won’t lose. Doesn’t make me want to send money there, but I can certainly understand why some don’t think it’s as big an issue. Most people don’t like to spend their money on things they are doing no good. and having a poor outcome.

Can Israel win without our money?