THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[Doublestandards]

 

[Gotta Go]

If you thought for yourself...
You wouldn't be a democrat...

 

[Gotta Go]

Russia will just...
Raise there energy prices...

Europe’s major powers consider seizing frozen Russian assets in ceasefire talks, FT reports

While Berlin and Paris had previously resisted full asset confiscation, they are now engaging in talks with European and G7 partners about potential mechanisms to use the funds.

www.yahoo.com

 

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[Doublestandards]

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Europe Somehow Still Depends on Russia’s Energy

After years of war and promises to change course, the continent maintains ties to Russian fossil fuels.

foreignpolicy.com

Good, informative article

 

[vantexan]

Short term or long term?

Putin is 72. He's incurred close to a million casualties. His military has been severely degraded. He needs a way out that allows him to save face. That minerals deal is the best Ukraine can hope for. Trump campaigned on ending the war. Not on giving either side everything they want. Trump's critics want whatever makes Trump look the worst. If another million get killed or wounded to accomplish that they're all for it. We aren't going to put boots on the ground. Neither is Europe. So what else can be done to end it?

 

[Doublestandards]

Putin is 72. He's incurred close to a million casualties. His military has been severely degraded. He needs a way out that allows him to save face. That minerals deal is the best Ukraine can hope for. Trump campaigned on ending the war. Not on giving either side everything they want. Trump's critics want whatever makes Trump look the worst. If another million get killed or wounded to accomplish that they're all for it. We aren't going to put boots on the ground. Neither is Europe. So what else can be done to end it?

Ukraine needs strict and clear security assurances to go along with the minerals deal. They need something in place for when the mineral mining is done, so Russia doesn’t come back for more.

 

[Over70irregs]

Russia has just shown us they can’t be trusted. The reason they were able to invade Ukraine was because Ukraine gave up their weapons and Russia backed out of the agreement.

One of the biggest defenses for us having to “go easy” on Russia is because of them being a nuclear power

I can not see them sticking to their word.

I can see them being happy about us slowing down, cutting our military, and getting out of nato, though. I can see them being very happy about that

Hmm that talk of DC following KREM desires is looking possible. My goodness.

 

[Over70irregs]

Putin is 72. He's incurred close to a million casualties. His military has been severely degraded. He needs a way out that allows him to save face. That minerals deal is the best Ukraine can hope for. Trump campaigned on ending the war. Not on giving either side everything they want. Trump's critics want whatever makes Trump look the worst. If another million get killed or wounded to accomplish that they're all for it. We aren't going to put boots on the ground. Neither is Europe. So what else can be done to end it?

Defund it on both sides. Make it totally economically crippling to continue.

 

[vantexan]

Ukraine needs strict and clear security assurances to go along with the minerals deal. They need something in place for when the mineral mining is done, so Russia doesn’t come back for more.

By then Putin will be long gone and Russia will have broken up as a country. The loss of so many young men and the degrading of their military will make it very tempting for four or five regions to attempt to break away. Russia came this time in spite of assurances when the Ukrainians gave up their nukes. So I wouldn't be too confident about treaties. Much more confident that Russia has enough other problems to deal with to consider attempting another go at the Ukrainian buzz saw again.

 

[vantexan]

Defund it on both sides. Make it totally economically crippling to continue.

They've been doing sanctions for three years. Hasn't stopped it.

 

[Doublestandards]

By then Putin will be long gone and Russia will have broken up as a country. The loss of so many young men and the degrading of their military will make it very tempting for four or five regions to attempt to break away. Russia came this time in spite of assurances when the Ukrainians gave up their nukes. So I wouldn't be too confident about treaties. Much more confident that Russia has enough other problems to deal with to consider attempting another go at the Ukrainian buzz saw again.

Interesting thought. You don’t think Putin will just be replaced with another like him?

 

[vantexan]

Interesting thought. You don’t think Putin will just be replaced with another like him?

He might. Or the powers that be might be looking to play ball with Europe to keep their country viable. Hitler, Mussolini, even Mao and Stalin were replaced with more reasonable thinkers. Can't fix right now with what if's.