Doublestandards
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Short term or long term?
THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD
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Doublestandards
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Russia will just...
Raise there energy prices...
www.yahoo.com
Raise there energy prices...
Europe’s major powers consider seizing frozen Russian assets in ceasefire talks, FT reports
While Berlin and Paris had previously resisted full asset confiscation, they are now engaging in talks with European and G7 partners about potential mechanisms to use the funds.
Doublestandards
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Europe Somehow Still Depends on Russia’s Energy
After years of war and promises to change course, the continent maintains ties to Russian fossil fuels.
foreignpolicy.com
Good, informative article
Putin is 72. He's incurred close to a million casualties. His military has been severely degraded. He needs a way out that allows him to save face. That minerals deal is the best Ukraine can hope for. Trump campaigned on ending the war. Not on giving either side everything they want. Trump's critics want whatever makes Trump look the worst. If another million get killed or wounded to accomplish that they're all for it. We aren't going to put boots on the ground. Neither is Europe. So what else can be done to end it?
Doublestandards
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Ukraine needs strict and clear security assurances to go along with the minerals deal. They need something in place for when the mineral mining is done, so Russia doesn’t come back for more.
Over70irregs
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Hmm that talk of DC following KREM desires is looking possible. My goodness.
Over70irregs
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Defund it on both sides. Make it totally economically crippling to continue.
By then Putin will be long gone and Russia will have broken up as a country. The loss of so many young men and the degrading of their military will make it very tempting for four or five regions to attempt to break away. Russia came this time in spite of assurances when the Ukrainians gave up their nukes. So I wouldn't be too confident about treaties. Much more confident that Russia has enough other problems to deal with to consider attempting another go at the Ukrainian buzz saw again.
They've been doing sanctions for three years. Hasn't stopped it.
Doublestandards
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Interesting thought. You don’t think Putin will just be replaced with another like him?
He might. Or the powers that be might be looking to play ball with Europe to keep their country viable. Hitler, Mussolini, even Mao and Stalin were replaced with more reasonable thinkers. Can't fix right now with what if's.
Next Day Err
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Putin would never attack if there were NATO troops in Ukraine. He sent his Wagner Forces after U.S. troops in Syria or at the very least didn’t say to be very careful not to do so as a condition of their mercenary services through his client state. They got wiped out as expected.
Obama was right that Ukraine was vulnerable but we gave them an inch. They tried taking a mile and couldn’t even do that. They would never risk the wrath of NATO by breaking a ceasefire with Ukraine. It would let him save face by getting the
out with some kind of deal that he could lie to his people about and we could secure peace through strength. I’m telling you right now that if we appease him through this weakness by not conditioning as part of the agreement a NATO backstop for Ukraine then he will attack again, American mining presence or not.
So NATO troops in, he doesn't attack. NATO troops not in, he will attack and there's no way to stop him with, oh I don't know, American troops sent in to protect our miners? Can't be done, must have NATO troops there even though Ukraine isn't a NATO country? Why not U.N. peacekeepers? And if Putin is going to eventually attack a NATO country as you have asserted then why bother with Ukraine next time? He has no fear of NATO. Why not take back the three Baltic states? They're much easier targets. He can roll directly into them. After all, next time he's going to steamroll Ukraine then it's on to invading NATO nations!!Putin would never attack if there were NATO troops in Ukraine. He sent his Wagner Forces after U.S. troops in Syria or at the very least didn’t say to be very careful not to do so as a condition of their mercenary services through his client state. They got wiped out as expected.
Obama was right that Ukraine was vulnerable but we gave them an inch. They tried taking a mile and couldn’t even do that. They would never risk the wrath of NATO by breaking a ceasefire with Ukraine. It would let him save face by getting the
I’m telling you right now that if we appease him through this weakness by not conditioning as part of the agreement a NATO backstop for Ukraine then he will attack again, American mining presence or not.
No matter what Trump does in this situation you'll be ready to rip it apart as stupid. Poor guy, you had to endure 4 years of defending an incompetent President then defend his idiot replacement and now you're raring to get even in any way possible. Must keep you up at night thinking of revenge.
Next Day Err
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He has never directly confronted a member of our alliance. Why would that change?
Unless we signal we won’t honor our word.
Thebrownblob
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What was our word? The last I checked, Ukraine is not a NATO country.
Next Day Err
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Van was referring to current NATO members if I’m not mistaken. I was responding to those remarks.
Next Day Err
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So. Tariffs. Word of the day.
Why not go big with full 25% tariffs on energy? Why only 10%? Doesn’t this expose this plan’s fatal flaw and weakness?
Who’s ready for an old fashioned trade war?
Why not go big with full 25% tariffs on energy? Why only 10%? Doesn’t this expose this plan’s fatal flaw and weakness?
Who’s ready for an old fashioned trade war?
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