THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[Box Ox]

They have reached the point where they can't win so need to make some kind of deal. But that would make the forever war people profiting from the fighting unhappy.

Yes, Ukraine doesn’t want to stop fighting the larger and invading Russian force because they want to keep war profiteers happy.

They’re more than welcome to defend themselves. But if they’re lying about wanting peace and expecting us to help them, that’s the issue. Same goes for Russia if they’re doing it.

I’ve got a strong feeling that Ukraine isn’t lying about wanting peace.

 

[Next Day Err]

They have reached the point where they can't win so need to make some kind of deal.

How about a deal that addresses their concerns. What concessions is Russia supposed to make? We never hear the pressure that's put on them. Then they go and reportedly break the ceasefire against Ukraine.

 

[oldngray]

I’ve got a strong feeling that Ukraine isn’t lying about wanting peace.

Ukraine probably wants peace. It is Zelenskyy I'm not sure about.

 

[Darmark7]

Republican who introduced Trump derangement syndrome bill arrested for soliciting a minor

Minnesota state senator Justin Eichorn allegedly traveled to meet a 17-year-old he thought he’d met online, but was instead a cop posing as minor

www.theguardian.com

I bet he is regretting not being a Democrat now. He would have the full support of his colleagues and the Democrat voters. the moral of the story is “if you are a pervert you better be a Democrat where your perversion will be protected and cheered.” You come over to the Republican side and do that and you will be punished and shunned.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Yes, Ukraine doesn’t want to stop fighting the larger and invading Russian force because they want to keep war profiteers happy.



I’ve got a strong feeling that Ukraine isn’t lying about wanting peace.

I absolutely agree. Ukraine people wants peace.. I’m not so sure about Zielinski. Time will tell.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ukraine probably wants peace. It is Zelenskyy I'm not sure about.

You beat me to it

 

[Next Day Err]

Ukraine probably wants peace. It is Zelenskyy I'm not sure about.

Does Putin want peace?

 

[Thebrownblob]

How about a deal that addresses their concerns. What concessions is Russia supposed to make? We never hear the pressure that's put on them. Then they go and reportedly break the ceasefire against Ukraine.

I understand your idea that Russia should make some concessions, but how often do those in the power position need to make concessions? Russia has effectively won this war, the only way the war continues is if the United States and NATO send ground troops. I do not believe NATO wants to even though they’re saber rattling and I know the United States will not do it. I’m pretty sure Russia knows the same thing.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Does Putin want peace?

I believe he satisfied with the outcome of the current war. And he’s willing to stop. I also believe He’s willing to go forward should he be pushed.

 

[Next Day Err]

Russia has affectively won this war,

According to which experts? I don't know that it's so clear cut. I'm seeing reports from think tanks that question Russia's continued ability to seize the countryside much less grab Kyiv.

 

[Next Day Err]

I believe he satisfied with the outcome of the current war. And he’s willing to stop. I also believe. He’s also willing to go forward. Should he be pushed.

I believe if he had a free media in his country he'd be a lot more domestically embarrassed. He can spin any failure into a win with the state controlled press.

I don't think it'll be as easy to get him to stop his aggressive behavior as people are claiming. If the broken ceasefire reporting is true it's a testament to that.

 

[Thebrownblob]

According to which experts? I don't know that it's so clear cut. I'm seeing reports from think tanks that question Russia's continued ability to seize the countryside much less grab Kyiv.

Oh well, then by all means let’s continue!

 

[Thebrownblob]

I believe if he had a free media in his country he'd be a lot more domestically embarrassed. He can spin any failure into a win with the state controlled press.

I don't think it'll be as easy to get him to stop his aggressive behavior as people are claiming. If the broken ceasefire reporting is true it's a testament to that.

The problem with your broken cease-fire being true or not is that every agency is reporting differently. I posted the BBC story that made no claims either side was responsible because no one really knows. That’s called common sense reporting.


The truth is at the beginning of a cease-fire. There’s a pretty good chance both sides will take a couple shots to see what the other does.

 

[Next Day Err]

Oh well, then by all means let’s continue!

Not up to you or me. I just don't like this rush to kick our friend in the stomach when Putin is the one who started this violence and Putin is the one who reportedly broke his promise AGAIN about not starting/continuing the violence.

 

[Next Day Err]

Following the eagerly anticipated Trump-Putin call on Tuesday, a much-hyped ceasefire of energy infrastructure strikes lasted barely an hour, as Russia bombarded Ukraine with drones and Kyiv struck back at an oil depot in the Krasnodar region.

Zelenskyy’s call with Trump will mark the first official direct contact between the two leaders since a testy exchange in the Oval Office late last month, after which the Ukrainian President and his team quickly left the White House.

Asked if Kyiv would set any red lines for a future peace deal with Russia, Zelenskyy listed the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine, no Russian say on the future state of Ukraine’s armed forces, tangible security guarantees, as well as the exchange of prisoners, including the return of those who have been “tortured to death.”

How shocked should we be if this holds true?

 

[Next Day Err]

This rush to acquiesce to an invader is lame. Putin is not someone to romanticize just because Trump seems to respect him and his power. He's bad for world security and the only thing he respects in return is strength. Putin.

 

[Thebrownblob]

This rush to acquiesce to an invader is lame. Putin is not someone to romanticize just because Trump seems to respect him and his power. He's bad for world security and the only thing he respects in return is strength. Putin.

Nobody’s in a rush to acquiesce. It’s been three years. Also, no one is in a rush to send manpower so this is what we’re left with.

 

[Gotta Go]

The left's running out of talking points...

 

[Pullman Brown]

When hundreds of unelected judges can dictate the functioning of Article II power of the executive branch, can issue non-stop, nationwide injunctions at will, when the Chief Executive has hiring and firing power over only 1% of the executive branch, you do not have an elected, representative government; you have a permanent, unaccountable bureaucracy protected by unchecked judiciary power.

This has been the arrangement of the American state since FDR, and the last president to challenge this arrangement found himself entrapped by a rogue intelligence agency operating extralegally which intentionally got caught in order to remove him from office in August 1974.

The next president who challenged this arrangement found himself falsely accused by a rogue intelligence agency (nominally but not actually under his authority) of colluding with a hostile foreign government, impeached, a highly contagious pathogen mysteriously escaped from a lab (nominally but not actually under his authority) and shut down a booming economy in an election year, then in the midst of this violent racial unrest was fomented by extremely well-funded, well-organized groups, largely from NGOs funded by USAID (which is nominally but not actually under his authority), and election laws were unconstitutionally changed by state secretaries of state, but the otherwise extremely active judiciary ready to pounce on anything they can stretch as wide as humanly possible to declare unconstitutional and issue an injunction refused to even hear arguments over black-and-white violations of the constitution.

The judiciary and the unelected permanent government must be destroyed if we are to have constitutional order in the United States of America.

THEY are the Constitutional Crisis, not the man the majority of Americans chose to finally defend their own and their nation’s collective interests.

Trump has to ignore their orders and possibly even do Abraham Lincoln type stuff if America is going to have a future.

Andrew Isker

 

[Darmark7]

This is the difference in the Republicans and the Democrats. If this guy would have been a Democrat they would all be standing with him and Supporting him while the democrat voter would have gotten the talking point to also stand with this guy.