Total Service Plan (TSP)

[TearsInRain]

They weren’t cutting Monday routes at my building. Union had no idea that the company was going to expand Saturday to the degree they did. When Saturday first rolled out six day punch was minimal at my building. It was the new CEO that pushed it more. I specifically remember a earnings call where she goes into that. They kept saying fastest ground moving network. Just talked to a Supervisor who said corporate wants to push even more Saturday volume out. PVD takes what’s left.

have you ever seen FedEx's TNT map? it beats ours to a pulp; we are just trying to catch up

They weren’t cutting Monday routes at my building. Union had no idea that the company was going to expand Saturday to the degree they did. When Saturday first rolled out six day punch was minimal at my building. It was the new CEO that pushed it more

uh no? we did our heaviest expansions in 2017-2018; last years expansion was just the middle-of-nowhere buildings to hit a %-population target to make marketing happy

 

[Shift Inhibit]

have you ever seen FedEx's TNT map? it beats ours to a pulp; we are just trying to catch up

Why are we so far behind them? Who fell asleep at the wheel?

 

[UnionStrong]

Why are we so far behind them? Who fell asleep at the wheel?

We always play catch-up

 

[zubenelgenubi]

We always play catch-up

UPS management is like a right tackle who picks up a fumble, then runs it to the wrong endzone. The only safety they can ever accomplish.

 

[bumped]

They weren’t cutting Monday routes at my building. Union had no idea that the company was going to expand Saturday to the degree they did. When Saturday first rolled out six day punch was minimal at my building. It was the new CEO that pushed it more. I specifically remember a earnings call where she goes into that. They kept saying fastest ground moving network. Just talked to a Supervisor who said corporate wants to push even more Saturday volume out. PVD takes what’s left.

Really? Who didn't see it coming. After seeing what happened to smartpost, no one should have been surprised that UPS was going to try and push everything to Saturday.

 

[Trucker Clock]

The goal is to get more full-time jobs not less

Yes it is, but you can't create more full-time jobs just for Saturday work.

Low seniority folks gonna need to get used to Tuesday-Saturday

Maybe, but the M-friend and T-S jobs schedules aren't perfect either and creates problems of their own.

The M-friend drivers don't have enough work on Mondays to support all the drivers because of the Saturday delivery. And on Tuesday thru Friday, if they hired enough drivers to support all the Saturday work, there would not be enough work to support the M-friend drivers and the T-S drivers.

There is no simple solution without creating other issues.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes it is, but you can't create more full-time jobs just for Saturday work.



Maybe, but the M-friend and T-S jobs schedules aren't perfect either and creates problems of their own.

The M-friend drivers don't have enough work on Mondays to support all the drivers because of the Saturday delivery. And on Tuesday thru Friday, if they hired enough drivers to support all the Saturday work, there would not be enough work to support the M-friend drivers and the T-S drivers.

There is no simple solution without creating other issues.

Quit putting Monday's work on Saturday and it will need to have more people to work Saturday

 

[Trucker Clock]

Quit putting Monday's work on Saturday and it will need to have more people to work Saturday

It’s not Monday’s work. UPS is now basically a Monday thru Saturday delivery company. Just like FedEx and Amazon. Although they also deliver on Sundays. And that is coming to UPS.

The packages that arrive at centers on Friday night and Saturday morning are Saturday’s work, minus the closed businesses.

The issue is that UPS does not pick up enough weekend volume, or move enough volume on the weekends to support enough work on Monday’s.

It is their Company and we cannot tell them how to run it. We, the Union, need to figure out how to get it done with bargaining unit employees, and preferably full-time employees.

Not an easy task. The 22.4’s were a start, if used as first intended. Preload or unload during the week, maybe driving some to help eliminate RPCD unwanted OT, and then drive on Saturday.

But, they were not used that way. UPS saw an opportunity to not hire more RPCD’s and to deliver packages at a cheaper rate. The solution to this is to pay the 22.4’s driver rate while they drive.

Another solution could be to just have M-friend RPCD’s and take volunteers for Saturday work before allowing bargaining unit part-timers to make extra money and drive on Saturday.

I know they are part-time, but at least they aren’t scabs.

The other option is to hire enough full-time drivers for Saturday work, but then there is not enough work for all the drivers during the week and drivers get laid off.

Pick your poison.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It’s not Monday’s work. UPS is now basically a Monday thru Saturday delivery company. Just like FedEx and Amazon. Although they also deliver on Sundays. And that is coming to UPS.

The packages that arrive at centers on Friday night and Saturday morning are Saturday’s work, minus the closed businesses.

The issue is that UPS does not pick up enough weekend volume, or move enough volume on the weekends to support enough work on Monday’s.

It is their Company and we cannot tell them how to run it. We, the Union, need to figure out how to get it done with bargaining unit employees, and preferably full-time employees.

Not an easy task. The 22.4’s were a start, if used as first intended. Preload or unload during the week, maybe driving some to help eliminate RPCD unwanted OT, and then drive on Saturday.

But, they were not used that way. UPS saw an opportunity to not hire more RPCD’s and to deliver packages at a cheaper rate. The solution to this is to pay the 22.4’s driver rate while they drive.

Another solution could be to just have M-friend RPCD’s and take volunteers for Saturday work before allowing bargaining unit part-timers to make extra money and drive on Saturday.

I know they are part-time, but at least they aren’t scabs.

The other option is to hire enough full-time drivers for Saturday work, but then there is not enough work for all the drivers during the week and drivers get laid off.

Pick your poison.

They are advancing work so it gets her Saturday instead of Monday.

 

[Trucker Clock]

They are advancing work so it gets her Saturday instead of Monday.

No they are not. When UPS was just a Mon-Fri delivery company, Monday’s work was already at the centers on Saturday morning. Just like it is now. Feeders used to be a Monday night thru Friday night job. Friday night into Saturday morning brought in the packages for Monday. After Friday, the next scheduled delivery day used to be Monday.

Now, the next delivery day is Saturday. So, the packages already at the centers on Saturday morning, are delivered.

Again, we cannot tell UPS when to delivery their packages. We cannot tell them to quit advancing Monday’s work to Saturday, if that‘s what you think they are doing.

The Union, through the CBA cannot tell the Company how to run their business. We can only bargain for working conditions.

Just like Sundays. It is coming and we cannot tell them we will not do it. The Union‘s job is to bargain and come up with a contract on ”how” it will be done.

UPS can run their Company any way they want. The Union bargains on “working conditions” and benefits, not on which days UPS is allowed to deliver their packages. They want Saturday and Sunday delivery, the Union can’t stop them. The Union needs to bargain on “how” it will be done.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

I've heard on conference calls, upper management blabbering about moving as much Monday volume to Saturday to increase the delivery on-time percentage. Someone else around here has mentioned the same thing (can't remember whom.)

Better, not Bigger plans on hanging her hat on advertising a better "on-time" delivery percentage, as a way to milk the goug-ey rates were charging as a hedge against economic gridlock that's projected for 2023-24.

 

[Trucker Clock]

I've heard on conference calls, upper management blabbering about moving as much Monday volume to Saturday to increase the delivery on-time percentage. Someone else around here has mentioned the same thing (can't remember whom.)

Better, not Bigger plans on hanging her hat on advertising a better "on-time" delivery percentage, as a way to milk the goug-ey rates were charging as a hedge against economic gridlock that's projected for 2023-24.

Delivering a package early does not cancel out a package delivered late. The only reason to deliver a Monday package on Saturday for "on-time" delivery percentage is if they could not deliver all of Monday's packages on Monday. That is, if they did not deliver on Saturday, some of the Monday packages would not be delivered and would be "late." This was not necessarily the case over the years.

They are delivering packages on Saturday because that is what the customer wants. That is what the competition does. That is what we have to do to keep up with the competition.

Monday's were never the issue for "on-time" percentage. Most of the loads were already at the buildings on Saturday morning. Monday's used to be the best day for "on-time" departures for package drivers.

The solution? Hire more drivers?

Nobody wants to work. I just read a few different posts where drivers are quitting in their centers. Half the preloaders are not coming in. There are no package drivers remaining wanting to go to feeders. They have exhausted part timers wanting to go to feeders. So they hire from the street. Nobody wants the job. They all know UPS. They will not be working steady and it could take years before they become full time drivers.

There are no simple solutions. The best solution may be a compromise and not what everyone wants.

 

[UnionStrong]

Delivering a package early does not cancel out a package delivered late. The only reason to deliver a Monday package on Saturday for "on-time" delivery percentage is if they could not deliver all of Monday's packages on Monday. That is, if they did not deliver on Saturday, some of the Monday packages would not be delivered and would be "late." This was not necessarily the case over the years.

They are delivering packages on Saturday because that is what the customer wants. That is what the competition does. That is what we have to do to keep up with the competition.

Monday's were never the issue for "on-time" percentage. Most of the loads were already at the buildings on Saturday morning. Monday's used to be the best day for "on-time" departures for package drivers.

The solution? Hire more drivers?

Nobody wants to work. I just read a few different posts where drivers are quitting in their centers. Half the preloaders are not coming in. There are no package drivers remaining wanting to go to feeders. They have exhausted part timers wanting to go to feeders. So they hire from the street. Nobody wants the job. They all know UPS. They will not be working steady and it could take years before they become full time drivers.

There are no simple solutions. The best solution may be a compromise and not what everyone wants.

Monday was typically a light day years ago.

 

[TearsInRain]

Why are we so far behind them? Who fell asleep at the wheel?

They have a seven day network and no union to squeeze their balls about working weekends

 

[Shift Inhibit]

They have a seven day network and no union to squeeze their balls about working weekends

Damnit, I new the union was holding us down

 

[silenze]

The other option is to hire enough full-time drivers for Saturday work, but then there is not enough work for all the drivers during the week and drivers get laid off.

Pick your poison.

There is plenty of work for all drivers. UPS management has a heart attack every time a driver gets an 8hr day. Every driver knows monday is the 1st guaranteed day of the week they will violate 9.5. They create problems just to get the union to make concessions.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

There is plenty of work for all drivers. UPS management has a heart attack every time a driver gets an 8hr day. Every driver knows monday is the 1st guaranteed day of the week they will violate 9.5. They create problems just to get the union to make concessions.

I think their company is pushing for 4x10 so they can get rid of 95 language and 8-hour requests and save a bundle money on overtime.

 

[silenze]

I think their company is pushing for 4x10 so they can get rid of 95 language and 8-hour requests and save a bundle money on overtime.

Yeah it will be 4x14

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yeah it will be 4x14

22.4 Will save us...

 

[qdg2]

I think their company is pushing for 4x10 so they can get rid of 95 language and 8-hour requests and save a bundle money on overtime.

4-10's means hiring more drivers. Solves one problem and creates another.

Funny, feeders works 24-7. We have Thursday- Monday runs.....they all get filled.