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[PT Car Washer]

You are a broken record. You are literally talking about 40 years ago now. Get over it. It's still a part-time job that can offer benefits for your entire family and/or pay for your schooling. Certainly not one of the worst. I know 9 months blah blah blah.

Just pointing out the concessions made over the years. The same concessions being made with delivery drivers.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Just pointing out the concessions made over the years. The same concessions being made with delivery drivers.

Well technically it was not a concession the union negotiators wanted it. They were misguided thinking this is what we wanted.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Well technically it was not a concession the union negotiators wanted it. They were misguided thinking this is what we wanted.

A two tier wage system for delivery drivers was not a concession? Can't wait to see what non concessions are made in the next contract. And one of the biggest concession was the 4 year wage progression. Should be thrown out of next years contract.

 

[Thebrownblob]

A two tier wage system for delivery drivers was not a concession? Can't wait to see what non concessions are made in the next contract. And one of the biggest concession was the 4 year wage progression. Should be thrown out of next years contract.

Well the concession would be something the company wanted.
And secondly this is not a two-tier system because a true two-tiered system would be no path to make top rate RPCD Pay.

The one good thing that happened with the 22. 4 is that many younger people have gone full-time much quicker than they would have. Because the company thinks they’re saving money hiring them even though here none of them have stayed 22.4 more than 18 months.

That doesn’t mean I think the 22.4 is good it’s just as bad for regular package car drivers as it is for the 22.4

The low seniority 22. 4 Who become RPCDs are forced into a perpetual six day punch. As well as many other RPCDs being forced six days which does the opposite of what the plan was supposed to reducing hours so it didn’t work it failed miserably.

I realize you have all the answers even though you’ve never done a single thing contractually correct or negotiated anything including someone’s return to work or a grievance so maybe we should listen to you just like you complain about people not listening to the doctor since you’re an expert? The only thing you’re an expert at is violating the contract and then turning around and being a hypocrite.

 

[Shift Inhibit]

For years 9.5 was the limit(in pkg). Most people usually made that. There were exceptions.....there weren't any rules back then.

Everyone off the clock by X.

This was primarily to get the sorts down and departures....

Mostly, we departed in the morning on time give or take a few.

What happened?

Online ordering happened combined with corporate greed.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Deliver close proximity surepost. Bam magically enough work.

Not enough work for 50 extra drivers in a center that runs 100 drivers during the week.

Even if you delivered close proximity Surepost and cut all driver OT and made them 8 hour jobs, you would still not have enough work for 50% more drivers during the week.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Not enough work for 50 extra drivers in a center that runs 100 drivers during the week.

Even if you delivered close proximity Surepost and cut all driver OT and made them 8 hour jobs, you would still not have enough work for 50% more drivers during the week.

When has a bad plan ever stopped them from implementing said plan?

 

[Trucker Clock]

When has a bad plan ever stopped them from implementing said plan?

It may be a bad plan, but would be a very expensive plan also. So, no, they will not implement this "bad" plan.

I know they have implemented expensive plans in the past, but they all had an end goal. Orion was expensive but had the goal of eventually having any monkey able to deliver a package route by following Orion and MapNav.

 

[Thebrownblob]

It may be a bad plan, but would be a very expensive plan also. So, no, they will not implement this "bad" plan.

I know they have implemented expensive plans in the past, but they all had an end goal. Orion was expensive but had the goal of eventually having any monkey able to deliver a package route by following Orion and MapNav.

Saturdays are an expensive plan they make no money on it….

 

[Brownslave688]

Not enough work for 50 extra drivers in a center that runs 100 drivers during the week.

Even if you delivered close proximity Surepost and cut all driver OT and made them 8 hour jobs, you would still not have enough work for 50% more drivers during the week.

Then they’re doing too much Saturday work.

We have 30-35 routes through the week. We run 5 Saturday routes.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Won’t work. Get rid of Surepost and they will have to raise the rates on those packages. We will then loose that volume.

There will never be enough work for all the drivers during the week if the number of Tue-Sat jobs equaled the number of Saturday jobs.

Remember, some people on here want to get rid of 22.4 and make them all RPCD.

This will never work.

Why would rates have to be hiked? They can still be Surepost packages at whatever rate they currently get but with less priority. But here is the kicker. Every time we keep those now they get delivered one day early. Customers tend to like that. I think it would work. I vaguely remember something similar called “UPS Basic” years back. Seemed to be a kind of “it’ll get here when it gets here” program at a lesser rate.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Then they’re doing too much Saturday work.

We have 30-35 routes through the week. We run 5 Saturday routes.

We have close to 80 routes in my center daily, they are trying to run 25 to 28 routes on Saturday with only 13 22.4 drivers, guess what happens? And yes the biggest problem is there advancing volume for Monday to Saturday even when they know they don’t have the people

 

[Brownslave688]

We are ed here today.

“Oh man we had no idea we would be this heavy. This is like the 5th year they’ve done prime day we didn’t think it would be a big deal”

Just like
Christmas sneaks up on them every year.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Well the concession would be something the company wanted.
And secondly this is not a two-tier system because a true two-tiered system would be no path to make top rate RPCD Pay.

The one good thing that happened with the 22. 4 is that many younger people have gone full-time much quicker than they would have. Because the company thinks they’re saving money hiring them even though here none of them have stayed 22.4 more than 18 months.

That doesn’t mean I think the 22.4 is good it’s just as bad for regular package car drivers as it is for the 22.4

The low seniority 22. 4 Who become RPCDs are forced into a perpetual six day punch. As well as many other RPCDs being forced six days which does the opposite of what the plan was supposed to reducing hours so it didn’t work it failed miserably.

I realize you have all the answers even though you’ve never done a single thing contractually correct or negotiated anything including someone’s return to work or a grievance so maybe we should listen to you just like you complain about people not listening to the doctor since you’re an expert? The only thing you’re an expert at is violating the contract and then turning around and being a hypocrite.

I always encourage my fellow Union brothers to file a grievance if they feel the company is violating the contract. So far the Union and the company have agreed that there is no violation in using air drivers to deliver or pick up ground packages as a last resort and paying the air drivers talk driver rate.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I always encourage my fellow Union brothers to file a grievance if they feel the company is violating the contract. So far the Union and the company have agreed that there is no violation in using air drivers to deliver or pick up ground packages as a last resort and paying the air drivers talk driver rate.

You’ve been doing it for decades how is it a last resort? Lol

 

[Trucker Clock]

Saturdays are an expensive plan they make no money on it….

They do it to keep the volume because the competition delivers on Saturday.

The cost of doing business.

 

[Thebrownblob]

They do it to keep the volume because the competition delivers on Saturday.

The cost of doing business.

And according to them Sundays will also be the cost of doing.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Then they’re doing too much Saturday work.

We have 30-35 routes through the week. We run 5 Saturday routes.

OK. It may work for a little podunk center. It will not work everywhere.

 

[Thebrownblob]

OK. It may work for a little podunk center. It will not work everywhere.

And we agree with you lol Saturdays don’t really work either.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Why would rates have to be hiked? They can still be Surepost packages at whatever rate they currently get but with less priority. But here is the kicker. Every time we keep those now they get delivered one day early. Customers tend to like that. I think it would work. I vaguely remember something similar called “UPS Basic” years back. Seemed to be a kind of “it’ll get here when it gets here” program at a lesser rate.

Because it costs UPS more to deliver that package than what they pay the Post Office.

We can deliver some close proximity at not a great loss. But if we got rid of it altogether, rates would need to go up.