trump 2016

[rickyb]

"loss of citizenship" what a joke.


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago


Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

 

[newfie]

"loss of citizenship" what a joke.


Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago


Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

what the left fails to understand is there is more to a trumpism then a literal interpretation.

for instance many of the so called protesters have been seen burning American flags and carrying Mexican flags. if that is really their heart felt opinion then should they be citizens enjoying the benefits of living in this country?

 

[rickyb]

what the left fails to understand is there is more to a trumpism then a literal interpretation.

for instance many of the so called protesters have been seen burning American flags and carrying Mexican flags. if that is really their heart felt opinion then should they be citizens enjoying the benefits of living in this country?

yea because if you want to talk about political freedom then that means the freedom for people who disagree with you.

 

[newfie]

yea because if you want to talk about political freedom then that means the freedom for people who disagree with you.

its a legitimate aspect to the discussion. If you reject everything the American flag stands for then why not move somewhere you feel more comfortable?

 

[rickyb]

its a legitimate aspect to the discussion. If you reject everything the American flag stands for then why not move somewhere you feel more comfortable?

well unlike the EU where you have free choice of country and government, they are stuck in america. but i agree i think they should be able to leave for other developed countries.

but if they want to stay and protest their government, they can do that as well and should be supported by defenders of the constitution.

 

[Bad Gas!]

In other news.What ever happened to TOS?. IHave we heard from him since he picked up his crying towel on Nov. 9th?...Could he be moving with Rossi and Cher?

 

[BrownArmy]

what the left fails to understand is there is more to a trumpism then a literal interpretation....

So he's trolling?

 

[wayfair]

well unlike the EU where you have free choice of country and government, they are stuck in america.

"free choice of country and government"
????

and you're stuck in canada

 

[rickyb]

"free choice of country and government"
????

and you're stuck in canada

yea exactly.

someone recently started a free movement campaign amongst commonwealth countries new zealand, australia, UK, and canada.

 

[pickup]

yea exactly.

someone recently started a free movement campaign amongst commonwealth countries new zealand, australia, UK, and canada.

About damn time!

 

[wkmac]

Hearing Trump say that burning a flag should cost a person their citizenship and a year in jail is nothing more than one jackass's reaction to another jackass's action. Why take either jackass serious as nothing more than over emotional, unthinking little 8itches?

On another note, that being the recent news about Trump talks with Carrier to keep jobs in the US, there should be true transparency to these talks and lets see what deals were really turned?

From NYT's piece:

"While Carrier will forfeit some $65 million a year in savings the move was supposed to generate, that’s a small price to pay to avoid the public relations damage from moving the jobs as well as a possible threat to United Technologies’ far-larger military contracting business.

Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenue comes from the federal government; the Pentagon is its single largest customer. With $4 billion in profit last year, the company has the flexibility to find the savings elsewhere."

Also stated in the article and a valid point:

"And just as only a confirmed anti-Communist like Richard Nixon could go to China, so only a businessman like Mr. Trump could take on corporate America without being called a Bernie Sanders-style socialist. If Barack Obama had tried the same maneuver, he’d probably have drawn criticism for intervening in the free market."

Quick glance: Who is United Technologies?

Seems to me a lot of room to slide in special favors and privilege as payment for making certain things look good. Our President's first lesson to us in the "Art of the Deal!"

 

[wkmac]

And for the record on flag burning, if an individual goes out and purchases a flag with the fruits of their labor and then proceeds to burn that flag on their private property, this is a property rights and economic rights issue and should be respected and protected at all costs.

Other than a waste of labor, I have no reaction to such action stated above just as I'd have no reaction if said individual burned their kitchen tablecloth. Fact is, I see no difference between a flag and tablecloth to begin with. Although the tablecloth does more for me than the flag because the tablecloth does bring me a good meal on a regular basis.

If an individual takes a flag belonging to someone else and then proceeds to burn that flag on the property of another without permission, this is a theft and a property trespass and there are laws already on the books to address such actions.

Why the appeal to unthinking emotionalism and playing to people's tribalism for political advantage when growing gov't with more Statism is not necessary? So where is the action from Trump to prove all the claims that he would be different? Growing gov't is not different but in fact the same thing we've always had!

 

[wkmac]

Trump is further proof of the saying by H.L. Mencken:

“Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses.”


(And not that Trump, or his jackasses, are by any means alone)

 

[Babagounj]

We already have a lot of laws that are never enforced .
If they were Hillary would be wearing orange and obama would be panhandling on the streets of Chicago .

 

[oldngray]

We already have a lot of laws that are never enforced .
If they were Hillary would be wearing orange and obama would be panhandling on the streets of Chicago .

Flashback: Clinton introduced bill to criminalize flag burning

 

[newfie]

well unlike the EU where you have free choice of country and government, they are stuck in america. but i agree i think they should be able to leave for other developed countries.

but if they want to stay and protest their government, they can do that as well and should be supported by defenders of the constitution.

they can stay.. and live under a countrys rules that they allegedly strongly disagree with. If its me I would find some place to live that I agreed with.

 

[rickyb]

they can stay.. and live under a countrys rules that they allegedly strongly disagree with. If its me I would find some place to live that I agreed with.

so both of trumps proposals are unconstitutional. flag burning is free speech, and the US government cant take away citizenship.

 

[rickyb]

filling the swamp with more swamp. from democracy now:

President-elect Donald Trump has announced a handful of new Cabinet picks. On Tuesday, he named billionaire Steven Mnuchin to be treasury secretary. Mnuchin has deep ties on Wall Street, including working as a partner for Goldman Sachs, where his father also worked. Mnuchin’s hedge fund also played a role in the housing crisis, after it scooped up the failing California bank IndyMac in 2008. Under Mnuchin’s ownership, IndyMac foreclosed on 36,000 families, particularly elderly residents trapped in reverse mortgages. Mnuchin was accused of running a "foreclosure machine." The bank, which was renamed OneWest, was also accused of racially discriminatory lending practices. In 2015, Mnuchin sold the bank for $3.4 billion—$1.8 billion more than he bought it for."

and more swamp filling:

"
Trump has also reportedly picked billionaire private equity investor Wilbur Ross to be commerce secretary. Ross specializes in flipping bankrupt companies for profit, often buying the U.S. companies at low prices and then selling them to overseas investors. He and his companies have sometimes shipped jobs and factories overseas—practices Donald Trump has railed against."

so theres continuity between trump and previous presidents. money talks.

 

[TheJerk]

I miss this man!

 

[Babagounj]

Flag Protection Act of 2005
Introduced in 109th United States Congress
Introduced on October 24, 2005
Sponsored by Bob Bennett (R-Utah)
Co-Sponsor: Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Number of Co-Sponsors 4
Legislative history

• Introduced in the Senate as S.1911 by Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) on October 24, 2005

The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism.
It called for a punishment of no more than one year in prison and a fine of no more than $100,000; unless that flag was property of the United States Government, in which case the penalty would be a fine of not more than $250,000, not more than two years in prison, or both.