trump 2016

Bad Gas!

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Hearing Trump say that burning a flag should cost a person their citizenship and a year in jail is nothing more than one jackass's reaction to another jackass's action. Why take either jackass serious as nothing more than over emotional, unthinking little 8itches?

On another note, that being the recent news about Trump talks with Carrier to keep jobs in the US, there should be true transparency to these talks and lets see what deals were really turned?

From NYT's piece:

"While Carrier will forfeit some $65 million a year in savings the move was supposed to generate, that’s a small price to pay to avoid the public relations damage from moving the jobs as well as a possible threat to United Technologies’ far-larger military contracting business.

Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenue comes from the federal government; the Pentagon is its single largest customer. With $4 billion in profit last year, the company has the flexibility to find the savings elsewhere."


Also stated in the article and a valid point:

"And just as only a confirmed anti-Communist like Richard Nixon could go to China, so only a businessman like Mr. Trump could take on corporate America without being called a Bernie Sanders-style socialist. If Barack Obama had tried the same maneuver, he’d probably have drawn criticism for intervening in the free market."

Quick glance: Who is United Technologies?

Seems to me a lot of room to slide in special favors and privilege as payment for making certain things look good. Our President's first lesson to us in the "Art of the Deal!"
Hilary said the same about the flag in 2005
 

Bad Gas!

Well-Known Member
I say if idiots want to burn the flag , fine Burn it. But vandalized properties and violence and blocking traffic is not ok for anyone.. The left is good at this lately!
 

rod

Retired 22 years
Saw on one of the news channels today that on average only 67% of campaign promises are ever kept. You had to be awfully stupid if you believed President elect Trump could keep all of his----he had some doozies.
 

rickyb

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Flag Protection Act of 2005
Introduced in 109th United States Congress
Introduced on October 24, 2005
Sponsored by Bob Bennett (R-Utah)
Co-Sponsor: Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Number of Co-Sponsors 4
Legislative history
The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism.
It called for a punishment of no more than one year in prison and a fine of no more than $100,000; unless that flag was property of the United States Government, in which case the penalty would be a fine of not more than $250,000, not more than two years in prison, or both.
no one have ever proposed getting rid of citizenship as a penalty for it before. trump is unique in that respect
 

rickyb

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the term fascist has been thrown around alot. i dont think trump is a full blown fascist, but hes on his way. heres cornel west one of the all time greats, describe it in relation to donald trump and america:

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CORNEL WEST: And what I mean by that is that in an emerging neofascist moment, you have the rule of big business, which is big banks and big corporations. You scapegoat the most vulnerable. It could be Muslims, Mexicans, gay brothers, lesbian sisters, indigenous peoples, black peoples, jews, and so on. And then you also have militaristic orientations around the world. And so, you see the extension of the repressive apparatus, as those of us who hit the streets, those of us who will be — are willing to go to jail, we’ve had to recognize we’ll have more coming at us under Trump administration. But, the crucial thing is, is that he had talked about his connection with working people. And it’s clear that the one percent are still running things.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: But, you’ve also said, Dr. West, you just said that his administration will be neofascist. Could you explain? What do you mean by that, neofascist as opposed to fascist, and what the two mean?

CORNEL WEST: What neofascist — it’s an American style form of fascism. What I mean by that is we’ve had neoliberal rule from Carter to Obama. That neoliberal rule left in place a national security state. It left in place massive surveillance. It left in place the ability of the president to kill an American citizen with no due process. That’s Obama. That was the culmination of the neoliberal era. Now you get someone who is narcissistic — which is to say out of control psychologically — who is ideologically confused — which is to say, in over his head — and who does he choose? The most right wing reactionary zealots which lead toward the arbitrary deployment of law, which is what neofascism is, but to reinforce corporate interests, big bank interest, and to keep track of those of us who are cast as peoples of color, women, jews, Arabs, Muslims, Mexicans, and so forth, and so — So, this is one of the most frightening moments in the history of this very fragile empire and fragile republic."
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
richard wolff also commented on trump going after immigrants. he made the point that they are typically extremely vulnerable and poor so its bizarre that one of the first ways you try and solve your economic problem is to have a billionaire go after the people who have the least amongst us.

yes you can get rid of all the immigrants, and yes it might cause a labor shortage and cause wages to rise, but really trump should go after wall street first and foremost. instead he is doing the opposite because he not that much difference than his predecessors.
 

wkmac

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Saw on one of the news channels today that on average only 67% of campaign promises are ever kept. You had to be awfully stupid if you believed President elect Trump could keep all of his----he had some doozies.

67%! I'm surprised the percentage is that high!

As to the Carrier deal, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Seems to me based on the Carrier deal and what we are now learning that "Draining the Swamp" has been put on hold.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

Had someone yesterday thumping their chests about Trump saving jobs and then how he was going to create jobs so I responded that if Trump wants to create jobs, "TONS" of them, he would outlaw the use of earth moving equipment.

Sad part is, I don't think they even got it!
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
67%! I'm surprised the percentage is that high!

As to the Carrier deal, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Seems to me based on the Carrier deal and what we are now learning that "Draining the Swamp" has been put on hold.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

Had someone yesterday thumping their chests about Trump saving jobs and then how he was going to create jobs so I responded that if Trump wants to create jobs, "TONS" of them, he would outlaw the use of earth moving equipment.

Sad part is, I don't think they even got it!
I occasionally deliver to a Carrier warehouse, they got self-driving forklifts a year or so ago. It was bizarre seeing it when they first got them, heavy machinery moving around heavy machinery with no person to be seen. They're unionized, and I really have to wonder how that played out.

I also have to wonder what's cheaper in the long run, a computer driving your forklift, or a low payed Mexican worker. I guess long term no country's economy is safe from the impending singularity.
 
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