Bad Gas!
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Hilary said the same about the flag in 2005
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wkmac
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Most all politicians have 2 faces and it depends on the audience as to which face will be visible.
wkmac
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Trump's "talks" with Carrier and the agreement that Carrier keeps the jobs in the US are a lesson in the Bastiat Axiom, "What is Seen and What is Unseen!"
no one have ever proposed getting rid of citizenship as a penalty for it before. trump is unique in that respect
the term fascist has been thrown around alot. i dont think trump is a full blown fascist, but hes on his way. heres cornel west one of the all time greats, describe it in relation to donald trump and america:
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CORNEL WEST: And what I mean by that is that in an emerging neofascist moment, you have the rule of big business, which is big banks and big corporations. You scapegoat the most vulnerable. It could be Muslims, Mexicans, gay brothers, lesbian sisters, indigenous peoples, black peoples, jews, and so on. And then you also have militaristic orientations around the world. And so, you see the extension of the repressive apparatus, as those of us who hit the streets, those of us who will be — are willing to go to jail, we’ve had to recognize we’ll have more coming at us under Trump administration. But, the crucial thing is, is that he had talked about his connection with working people. And it’s clear that the one percent are still running things.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: But, you’ve also said, Dr. West, you just said that his administration will be neofascist. Could you explain? What do you mean by that, neofascist as opposed to fascist, and what the two mean?
CORNEL WEST: What neofascist — it’s an American style form of fascism. What I mean by that is we’ve had neoliberal rule from Carter to Obama. That neoliberal rule left in place a national security state. It left in place massive surveillance. It left in place the ability of the president to kill an American citizen with no due process. That’s Obama. That was the culmination of the neoliberal era. Now you get someone who is narcissistic — which is to say out of control psychologically — who is ideologically confused — which is to say, in over his head — and who does he choose? The most right wing reactionary zealots which lead toward the arbitrary deployment of law, which is what neofascism is, but to reinforce corporate interests, big bank interest, and to keep track of those of us who are cast as peoples of color, women, jews, Arabs, Muslims, Mexicans, and so forth, and so — So, this is one of the most frightening moments in the history of this very fragile empire and fragile republic."
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CORNEL WEST: And what I mean by that is that in an emerging neofascist moment, you have the rule of big business, which is big banks and big corporations. You scapegoat the most vulnerable. It could be Muslims, Mexicans, gay brothers, lesbian sisters, indigenous peoples, black peoples, jews, and so on. And then you also have militaristic orientations around the world. And so, you see the extension of the repressive apparatus, as those of us who hit the streets, those of us who will be — are willing to go to jail, we’ve had to recognize we’ll have more coming at us under Trump administration. But, the crucial thing is, is that he had talked about his connection with working people. And it’s clear that the one percent are still running things.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: But, you’ve also said, Dr. West, you just said that his administration will be neofascist. Could you explain? What do you mean by that, neofascist as opposed to fascist, and what the two mean?
CORNEL WEST: What neofascist — it’s an American style form of fascism. What I mean by that is we’ve had neoliberal rule from Carter to Obama. That neoliberal rule left in place a national security state. It left in place massive surveillance. It left in place the ability of the president to kill an American citizen with no due process. That’s Obama. That was the culmination of the neoliberal era. Now you get someone who is narcissistic — which is to say out of control psychologically — who is ideologically confused — which is to say, in over his head — and who does he choose? The most right wing reactionary zealots which lead toward the arbitrary deployment of law, which is what neofascism is, but to reinforce corporate interests, big bank interest, and to keep track of those of us who are cast as peoples of color, women, jews, Arabs, Muslims, Mexicans, and so forth, and so — So, this is one of the most frightening moments in the history of this very fragile empire and fragile republic."
richard wolff also commented on trump going after immigrants. he made the point that they are typically extremely vulnerable and poor so its bizarre that one of the first ways you try and solve your economic problem is to have a billionaire go after the people who have the least amongst us.
yes you can get rid of all the immigrants, and yes it might cause a labor shortage and cause wages to rise, but really trump should go after wall street first and foremost. instead he is doing the opposite because he not that much difference than his predecessors.
yes you can get rid of all the immigrants, and yes it might cause a labor shortage and cause wages to rise, but really trump should go after wall street first and foremost. instead he is doing the opposite because he not that much difference than his predecessors.
Ralph Nader @RalphNader Nov 30
Trump brags about saving 1000 Carrier jobs in Indiana. He’s bribing Carrier on the taxpayers back. Crony capitalism is Trumpism. -R
Ralph Nader @RalphNader Nov 30
Workers who voted for Trump: His betrayal starts with his nominations of Wall Streeters, war hawks and corporatizers to top positions -R
Trump brags about saving 1000 Carrier jobs in Indiana. He’s bribing Carrier on the taxpayers back. Crony capitalism is Trumpism. -R
Ralph Nader @RalphNader Nov 30
Workers who voted for Trump: His betrayal starts with his nominations of Wall Streeters, war hawks and corporatizers to top positions -R
Babagounj
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Yes and he should revoke yours as his first official act
if it was obama, would you be so supportive? alot of people here only freak out if its not "their" party.
wkmac
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67%! I'm surprised the percentage is that high!
As to the Carrier deal, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Seems to me based on the Carrier deal and what we are now learning that "Draining the Swamp" has been put on hold.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!
Had someone yesterday thumping their chests about Trump saving jobs and then how he was going to create jobs so I responded that if Trump wants to create jobs, "TONS" of them, he would outlaw the use of earth moving equipment.
Sad part is, I don't think they even got it!
newfie
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They should be shot , Trump has gotten kinder and gentler since winning the election.
newfie
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man that would be a gift. deport his internet persona back to Canada.
DriveInDriѵeOut
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I occasionally deliver to a Carrier warehouse, they got self-driving forklifts a year or so ago. It was bizarre seeing it when they first got them, heavy machinery moving around heavy machinery with no person to be seen. They're unionized, and I really have to wonder how that played out.
I also have to wonder what's cheaper in the long run, a computer driving your forklift, or a low payed Mexican worker. I guess long term no country's economy is safe from the impending singularity.
DriveInDriѵeOut
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Because one explodes, and the other just pisses off "patriots"?
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