UAW

[moreluck]

I don't work at UPS. Hubby retired after 28 years and was a Div.Mgr.

I used to be a chief steward in the traffic dept. at Ohio Bell with CWA......that used to be Communication Workers of Amer. Now it's many more letters representing many more industries like all the other unions today. They can't survive with just one industry anymore.

We used to go to Columbus Ohio to lobby, and I was brought up in a union family. My dad was a time study engineer with the URW (United Rubber Workers) and worked alongside the likes of Pete Bommarito and Ken Gold.

Used to be a Democrat too. But, I grew up and got smart.

 

[diesel96]

Honestly, GM offered the Geo line as a gas saving alternative, but there was no demand for it. The fact is that Toyota is able to produce a far superior product for a slightly higher price. Imagine the demand of a GM truck if the labor and final cost where 33% less. Imagine American vehicles starting at under $10K for sedans and less for coupes.

If they wanted to match price point imagine the quality. Imagine too the money GM has wasted because the US government has no vision for energy in the future. Should they invest in Fuel Cell, CNG, Hydrogen, HHV, Electric or what?

Finally what do you drive? I drive only GM. What do I suggest they do. I suggest the file for Chapter 11 and leave Detroit for places where the economy has people looking for jobs and are willing to work for anyone and be thankful.

What does this have to do with UPS? Look at us as a company. We cost more to ship than anyone. Our company is forced to offer more to make up the difference. Ask around, people don't ship with us because we are too expensive. Sure our company is still posting huge profits, but that it is vital to carry large amount of cash reserves in order to prevent closure when the market goes sour. Point in case, the Big 3 are running out of cash.

I think I learned this at Business School 101 one day when I was in college, oh am still doing that working the preload.

It's not rocket science, thx for indirectly making my point...Ups is like Toyota...they offer a far superior product/service for a slightly higher price and still sustain hugh profits and loyal customers. And it's all done with union employees.....imagine that

There is no "party line" here. If people continue to bring politics into this then nothing will change.

Just so happens the loudest talking heads of the rep fillabustering three ring circus in the senate are from non-union red states who entices conditions for Japanese, Korean, and European automakers to open up shop. What happen to all that waving the flag on cue and partriot talk ?.....So now it's gonna be Hot Dogs , Apple Pie and Toyota Tundra .....?

It's about making sacrifices to save a company. The "big 3" are going to make sacrifices just like the UAW will. You just don't hear about it because die hard union workers can only think about themselves.

Enjoying the perks and the fruits of your labor ?
How soon you forget about the sacrificies of organize labor of the past to get where we are today. The function of the union is to organize, unite and represent all equally not indivdually. The only union member who thinks about themselves are the scabs that cross the line.

That selfishness, or flat out refusal to acknowledge those sacrifices by the non-union workers, is blinding them to the facts. I agree that all of these high dollar sponsorships should be reduced but it doesn't mean that everyone at these companies shouldn't make a sacrifice. Not just certain segments of the workforce.

Sacrificies by non-union workers.....lol...like they have a say.

You say I don't have "cajones" ?? That is funny because last time I checked I was man enough to step up to the plate and make sacrifices. I would be more than willing to accept a pay cut a across the board at UPS if it meant saving the company. People like you can only think about themselves and would rather see a company fail then accept your responsibility. So, it would seem that the "cajones" in question are all present and accounted for. On my end anyway. Maybe you and your UAW buddies need to form a line and have a massive grab, look right, and cough session to varify the existence of yours.

How often do you give YOURSELF a self examination, btw....when we go to get our DOT exam by a liscense practisioner, you can thank the union for not paying for it yourself.

I don't work at UPS. Hubby retired after 28 years and was a Div.Mgr.

That explains why your so anti-union.....so you don't feel some of the deserving union workers who worked under your Husband for 28 years to make him successful, should have a comfortable retirement as well ?

 

[moreluck]

This thread is about UAW, not Teamsters.......but in general, I don't see the need for unions anymore.

They have weakened from corruption, falling memberships and many other reasons.

My hubby was a Teamster before he was mgmt......of course, there wasn't a choice in that matter.

I do not deny the need for unions back when they were first formed and up til about 15 or 20 yrs. ago.

Today, there are union members and union yahoos. The yahoos....you know one I'm sure ,because I do. It's those obnoxious ones that will bring an end to the unions. They are the ones who will ride a company to destruction not giving in at all.....in a "fighting for you" stance.

OK, now I'll be in Vegas for 3 days.....let it die.

 

[JustTired]

Just some observations...........

1. While I think the UAW could make some concessions, ultimately I don't think that they are anywhere near the root of the problem. The "job bank" program is the first thing that should go. That being said...the auto companies are complicite in allowing it to be negotiated into the contract. The figure I hear thrown around is that 10% of the cost to manufacture a vehicle is labor costs. If that is true......getting the UAW to concede anything doesn't do much to bring down production costs. There has to be something else sucking the profits out of the cost of production.

2. I do believe that there is a concerted effort by Republicans to "bust" the unions. This has been part of doctrine, I believe, since the Reagan days. Why that is the case, for the life of me, I can't figure out. My only thought is that there is an underlying desire for a two tier society. The have and the have nots.

3. The solution (in part) to the gridlock that is our congress would be for all members of the house and senate to be limited to one (1) six year term. This would eliminate the need for reelection contributions. And restore the view that being a congressman or senator is not a career choice..... but a chance to serve their constituents and their country.

4. It is a sad time we live in when we have Communist China chastising us on our lack of fiscal restraint. Of course, they've probably earned the right since a major portion of our debt is financed by them. How did we let this happen? One word.............Greed!!!

 

[moreluck]

OK, now I'm really PO'ed. We headed towards Vegas this morning and the Cajon Pass was closed due to ice & snow and not opening today....bummer!! I was sooooo looking forward to my trip.

 

[Dfigtree]

OK, now I'm really PO'ed. We headed towards Vegas this morning and the Cajon Pass was closed due to ice & snow and not opening today....bummer!! I was sooooo looking forward to my trip.

Would you rather it were open under those conditions? I'm a Jersey boy but that road scares me under the best of conditions.

 

[705red]

OK, now I'm really PO'ed. We headed towards Vegas this morning and the Cajon Pass was closed due to ice & snow and not opening today....bummer!! I was sooooo looking forward to my trip.

I guess those union salt spreaders heard you were going that way! Still think we dont need a union? J/k

We got hit with some bad ice here to last night early this morning, sunday it was 50 out today below 0 with wind chills, and slipping and sliding all day long.

 

[cachsux]

OK, now I'm really PO'ed. We headed towards Vegas this morning and the Cajon Pass was closed due to ice & snow and not opening today....bummer!! I was sooooo looking forward to my trip.

You wouldn`t have had any fun. Most,if not all,of the casinos are union.

 

[Jim Kemp]

It's amazing to me how many "Union Members" on this site are so Anti-union. Do you think we make the money we make and get the benefits we get because the company loves us? You had better think again. It could all be gone if they break the unions and we will all be working in a Wal Mart crap factory here in America.
We as Union members should support the workers of the UAW.

 

[feeder53]

I have been a union member for over 35 years and have seen my share of members who are dead weight, but do you think non-union members have the same issues......I believe they do and we do not see the big picture. I believe Unions keep the economy on target as we make an honest days pay for an honest days work and most of that goes into the economy in our car payment, mortgages, food, clothing and all the other things we are able to purchase with our pay. I feel for the people who work for companies that give them min. wage and want more than a full days work out of them...and when they get that small paycheck they are lucky if the can pay the back rent let alone pay on time. They pay more for credit...if they can get it, they pay more for car insurance if they can afford a car....

 

[Dfigtree]

Shortly, the union workers of America's anemic automobile industry will be asked to make serious concessions in order to save their jobs and bail out the GM and Chrysler shareholders and bondholders. Can anyone envision economic or business conditions where the union workers of UPS have to make concessions in order to save their jobs and bail out the UPS shareholders and bondholders?

 

[diesel96]

I believe Unions keep the economy on target as we make an honest days pay for an honest days work and most of that goes into the economy in our car payment, mortgages, food, clothing and all the other things we are able to purchase with our pay.

Your on to something there F53, in there in the form of disposable income. When the working class can afford to pay their bills and have a little extra to spend, it not only stimulates the economy but their community as well.

 

[Wally]

Robots Are Looking Better to Detroit as Labor Costs Rise

Expensive new union contracts are sparking more interest in assembly-line automation for vehicles, but risks exist.

www.wsj.com

 

[Thebrownblob]

Robots Are Looking Better to Detroit as Labor Costs Rise

Expensive new union contracts are sparking more interest in assembly-line automation for vehicles, but risks exist.

www.wsj.com

Give me a break, the workers deserved a raise, and most of them still probably can’t afford the cars they’re making.

 

[Wally]

Give me a break, the workers deserved a raise, and most of them still probably can’t afford the cars they’re making.

Right, but the cost of the raise might make investment in automation more economically feasible. Same for UPS, although the automated hub technology seem not to be perfected as of yet.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Right, but the cost of the raise might make investment in automation more economically feasible. Same for UPS, although the automated hub technology seem not to be perfected as of yet.

Look that is the whole point of having a union to balance these kind of things.

If corporations want to put people out of work, then they will be making products no one can buy and providing services no one will need. Eventually, the pitchforks will come out.
Constantly complaining that the little people who do the work make a decent living is ridiculous.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Tell me some more it’s the worker’s fault?

In 2022, CEOs were paid 344 times as much as a typical worker in contrast to 1965 when they were paid 21 times as much as a typical worker. To illustrate just how distorted CEO pay increases have gotten: In 2021, CEOs made nearly eight times as much as the top 0.1% of wage earners in the U.S.

CEO pay slightly declined in 2022: But it has soared 1,209.2% since 1978 compared with a 15.3% rise in typical workers’ pay

CEO pay dipped in 2022 but remains enormous compared with the pay of other workers. CEOs are granted massive compensation packages by corporate boards because of their bargaining power, not because of their skills. CEOs’ exorbitant payouts have far outpaced the pay of typical workers over decades.

www.epi.org

 

[Wally]

Look that is the whole point of having a union to balance these kind of things.

If corporations want to put people out of work, then they will be making products no one can buy and providing services no one will need. Eventually, the pitchforks will come out.
Constantly complaining that the little people who do the work make a decent living is ridiculous.

Who's complaining or blaming workers? Technology is here, improving all the time, and definitely will take away jobs. Just saying...

 

[Thebrownblob]

Who's complaining or blaming workers? Technology is here, improving all the time, and definitely will take away jobs. Just saying...

And I’m saying who’s going to buy the products? There isn’t an answer to that because there is no one. Without the labor movement corporations will eat their selves.

 

[Wally]

And I’m saying who’s going to buy the products? There isn’t an answer to that because there is no one. Without the labor movement corporations will eat their selves.

I thought that when we started shipping jobs overseas. Never happened.