Under No Circumstances Can 22.4 Be Allowed To Remain

[alwaysRTS]

This thread is about 22.4s. You said they would be covered by Article 19 of the WRS. I don't know why you keep bringing up RPCDs and 9.5

They will be covered by Article 19 but not by Article 37. So the company has no reason to even care if they file a Article 19 grievance. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Honestly I've never had a 9.5 problem at my center. They don't violate us here and when they do they have paid each time. Granted it doesn't happen over night.

I understand this thread started out about 22.4s, but if you look back through this thread you'll see where someone referenced overtime/9.5 in relation to 22.4s

 

[542thruNthru]

I understand this thread started out about 22.4s, but if you look back through this thread you'll see where someone referenced overtime/9.5 in relation to 22.4s

Can 22.4 get on 9.5 in the west?

 

[22.34life]

The 22.4 jobs are a real pandora box,the language states that IF inside work is performed.so the company is gonna have a lot of "wiggle room" with these jobs.i dont think that we have thought out all the potential problems that comes with this but I guess that's true with every change.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

Thought I'd share.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Can 22.4 get on 9.5 in the west?

Article 19 WSA does not have the bite or penalty Article 37 NMA has but all consevations regarding Article 19 WSA has been documented. 9.5 in the WSA is recognizied and there are cards that might be able to be played to strengthen it. Personally I would file for a 22.4 under the WSA and see where it goes. Not trying is weak.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Thought I'd share.

Let's see how long before that gets reported and taken down...

 

[542thruNthru]

Article 19 WSA does not have the bite or penalty Article 37 NMA has but all consevations regarding Article 19 WSA has been documented. 9.5 in the WSA is recognizied and there are cards that might be able to be played to strengthen it. Personally I would file for a 22.4 under the WSA and see where it goes. Not trying is weak.

I agree that it should definitely be tried. I'm just getting sick of hearing that it will keep 22.4s under 9.5.

It seems to be the go to answer people give around here to fool people into thinking 22.4s will be on some sort of 9.5 list.

 

[542thruNthru]

Let's see how long before that gets reported and taken down...

Oh I'm sure it will be reported by some Vote Yes advocate

 

[LagunaBrown]

Thought I'd share.

That’s dumb propaganda. Is that really what your about? I would rather have the balls to inform people on both sides and get called names and debate. Would you give your family that when talking about your future when you should be talking about how your risking your pension, raises and healthcare by voting no.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I agree that it should definitely be tried. I'm just getting sick of hearing that it will keep 22.4s under 9.5.

It seems to be the go to answer people give around here to fool people into thinking 22.4s will be on some sort of 9.5 list.

Yeah I hear some talk. I don’t expect much but still gonna push it.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Oh I'm sure it will be reported by some Vote Yes advocate

Like you guys are proud of that? I think it shows stupidity. Leave it up I say.

 

[rpoz11]

I agree that it should definitely be tried. I'm just getting sick of hearing that it will keep 22.4s under 9.5.

It seems to be the go to answer people give around here to fool people into thinking 22.4s will be on some sort of 9.5 list.

Ok
So tell me how the 22.4 acquires their 8 hours worth of work.
Where is it coming from

 

[LagunaBrown]

The 22.4 jobs are a real pandora box,the language states that IF inside work is performed.so the company is gonna have a lot of "wiggle room" with these jobs.i dont think that we have thought out all the potential problems that comes with this but I guess that's true with every change.

I am sure want them to load their own cars on the weekend.

 

[542thruNthru]

Ok
So tell me how the 22.4 acquires their 8 hours worth of work.
Where is it coming from

I'm sorry I don't understand what you're getting at. We are talking about excessive hours protection.

22.4s where I am will get all their hours driving. They will be replacing Cover Drivers.

 

[542thruNthru]

I am sure want them to load their own cars on the weekend.

The SWP says that they will primarily drive and only do inside work on exception. So I'm hoping my local does not allow them to load their trucks on Saturdays.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

thought it was funny if anyone wants I'll take it down. You'll have to tell me how?

 

[rpoz11]

Just was thinking about the 9.5 mention and how work is diverted to obtain a minimum 8 hours worth of work for this category of driver.
The 9.5 drivers want their day at 9.5.
So 3 of the 5 days opens up volume diversion.
The company has to build an 8 hour truck.

 

[542thruNthru]

Just was thinking about the 9.5 mention and how work is diverted to obtain a minimum 8 hours worth of work for this category of driver.
The 9.5 drivers want their day at 9.5.
So 3 of the 5 days opens up volume diversion.
The company has to build an 8 hour truck.

I want to make sure I have this right. You think that because most drivers will now be on 9.5 that the 22.4s will usually get dispatched 8 hour days?

 

[iruhnman630]

And then, you need a 2/3 majority of no votes. That's what really scares the vote no -

I
This apparently is not true, according to last weeks conference call.

Clarification needed....

 

[rpoz11]

Just a place to start creating that work from.
They are already pulling/adding shelf ranges.

If not is the company holding back volume from a prior day, weekend, or SurePost holdover.
I'm more curious as to how they will establish the basis of this work and how the 22.4 category hatches