Let me fill you in on a little history here. Back on July 22, 1989, Ron Carey met with a small group of union activists and his lawyers to discuss tactics and strategy on running for GP of our Intl. One of those men was Ken P of TDU. Carey was very close to TDU. He didnt just use them as some like to say. He was one of them...a reformer in every sense of the word. He respected Paff for what he had done and took his advise just as he took the advise of other activists and union leaders. Let me stress this: he took their advise. He wasn't dictated to,etc. Same with Tim. He uses Paff and Levine to bounce ideas off of and ask for advise on certain issues. But Tim, just like Ron, always called the shots. Advising is one thing. Leading is another!!