UPS LATEST PROPOSAL

[PT Car Washer]

I would have loved to have $8.50hr back in the 90's. My first job paid $4.25 for full-time work my second paid $6.90 for FULL-TIME work. Both those jobs were harder than anything part-timers are asked to do.
Organizations like the Democratic socialists and liberal rabble-rousers have these youngins and brainwashed believing that they deserve a "living wage" for working a few hours a day. They arent invested and don't care if it bankrupts or stunts the company. Hell most of em will quit within a year.
They deserve a fair wage and that is it.

So your reasoning is political? The "theys" and "those" are fellow tax paying Americans who have served their country and are the future of this great country. No one believes working a PT job only is going to be a living wage but they deserve to be paid fairly for their labor. Even if it means some of the less desirable employees be let go both PT and FT. Maybe that is what so many FT members are afraid of.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I waant aware thar only liberals could work a union job and collectively bargain for fair wages, benefits and conditions.
I bet you the Teamsters end up closer to my definition of fair than yours.

waant, thar, Please explain. LOL

 

[Wontmake9.5]

 

[HarryWarden]

I waant aware thar only liberals could work a union job and collectively bargain for fair wages, benefits and conditions.
I bet you the Teamsters end up closer to my definition of fair than yours.

What do you need a union for? It should be all based on merit, just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work, that’s what the generations before us did. We worked 16 hour days! This generation doesn’t want to work

That’s how you guys sound

 

[Brownsocks]

waant, thar, Please explain. LOL

Big thumbs and not paying attention before sending. Lol.

 

[PT Car Washer]

So your reasoning is political? The "theys" and "those" are fellow tax paying Americans who have served their country and are the future of this great country. No one believes working a PT job only is going to be a living wage but they deserve to be paid fairly for their labor. Even if it means some of the less desirable employees be let go both PT and FT. Maybe that is what so many FT members are afraid of.

Must be one of those intellectual giants who spent 4 years at Harvard just to be a UPS delivery driver because it was so much more fulfilling. Yep, you are worth $50/hr.

 

[Brownsocks]

What do you need a union for? It should be all based on merit, just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and work, that’s what the generations before us did. We worked 16 hour days! This generation doesn’t want to work

That’s how you guys sound

What I'm hearing is guys with a decade parttime telling you that they were OK making that money while they waited for their opportunity to advance.

I hope UPS and the Teamsters come to an agreement that everyone can live with.
We will walk together if it comes to that

 

[Thebrownblob]

1980 starting wage $8.50
2010 starting wage $8.50

Y’all have keep hacking away at that ladder and think it’s the same as it’s ever been

Part time wages are going up.

But in my opinion

My starting rate in 1990 $8.50
My current rate in 2023 $41.49


This job has plenty of opportunity to make more money if you want to

 

[Hot Carl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1677015819929149451

 

[HarryWarden]

Part time wages are going up.

But in my opinion

My starting rate in 1990 $8.50
My current rate in 2023 $41.49


This job has plenty of opportunity to make more money if you want to

It’s just weird to me how you guys continually ignore that starting wage for part time loaders didn’t raise a cent for 30 years

Why so much hostility towards part timers? Why do you care if they have the same top out pay for a full time warehouse worker? I’ve acknowledged that drivers should make more for different responsibilities, but there is no reason a seasoned part time worker should make less than a full time worker doing the same jobs.

You guys can still be full time and make double the money part timers make, because you are getting more hours. But it is just bizarre to focus so much on artificially lowering part time wages so you feel better about your full time position


Imagine how much more you could be making if instead of worrying about keeping part timers down, we kept an eye on how much the CEO and shareholders were taking?

A rising tide raises all ships

 

[HarryWarden]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1677015819929149451

Funny reading those comments, sounds like a lot of the people in here towards their own coworkers

Everything is too politicized now. People saying the drivers and full timers make enough, don’t deserve more

Barely anyone mentions the CEO making 20 million a year. Or the company paying $4 billion in stock buybacks

No, we’re all focused on the crumbs, and fighting with eachother on whose getting too many crumbs

You think that’s an accident? The people giving us the crumbs are doing that on purpose, and too many people are falling for it

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

And you guys keep ignoring how the starting wage didn’t raise a cent for 30 years. How is that fair?

To be fair, it's almost doubled in less than 10 years.

 

[HarryWarden]

To be fair, it's almost doubled in less than 10 years.

Out of necessity because McDonald’s is hiring for more and we can barely keep or hire people. We went from being the leading pay to being a laughing stock.

Imagine if we kept raising it consistently throughout the years? Maybe corporate wouldn’t have gotten such a huge slice of the pie. The pie we baked

 

[Undertow]

It’s just weird to me how you guys continually ignore that starting wage for part time loaders didn’t raise a cent for 30 years

Why so much hostility towards part timers? Why do you care if they have the same top out pay for a full time warehouse worker? I’ve acknowledged that drivers should make more for different responsibilities, but there is no reason a seasoned part time worker should make less than a full time worker doing the same jobs.

You guys can still be full time and make double the money part timers make, because you are getting more hours. But it is just bizarre to focus so much on artificially lowering part time wages so you feel better about your full time position


Imagine how much more you could be making if instead of worrying about keeping part timers down, we kept an eye on how much the CEO and shareholders were taking?

A rising tide raises all ships

I believe it was already pointed out to you that this "full-time loader" you keep insisting makes far more than you do isn't loading full-time but instead does something else somewhere else to attain his full-time hours (possibly a combo-position employee?).

I rarely see a FT employee attempting to put a PT employee down and I certainly don't see any of this "hostility" you continue to accuse many here of. Indifference or apathy towards a large portion of them after decades of a sizeable majority of them not bothering to even vote on union representation or the master agreements that directly affect them? That I definitely would expect. You're somewhere between asking or demanding unity and unconditional support for a large portion of the hourly workforce yet PT's refused to show up and do just that themselves 5 years ago when full-time rank-and-file members begged part-timers to take a whole two minutes of their time to cast enough votes to keep the last terrible contract from being rammed down members throats on some perverse constitutional loophole.

You really want to sway some of these FT people to your side? Perhaps try to stop attempting to tar them as selfish or even hint that this perceived bias against them is somehow the main cause of why their wages, and yours, are such a gross offense to you. Go look your side in the mirror for a change and tell them that maybe some of their cavalier attitude toward participation, and especially sense of unity when greatly needed, just might play a significant part as to why they currently are where they are.

 

[HarryWarden]

I believe it was already pointed out to you that this "full-time loader" you keep insisting makes far more than you do isn't loading full-time but instead does something else somewhere else to attain his full-time hours (possibly a combo-position employee?).

I rarely see a FT employee attempting to put a PT employee down and I certainly don't see any of this "hostility" you continue to accuse many here of. Indifference or apathy towards a large portion of them after decades of a sizeable majority of them not bothering to even vote on union representation or the master agreements that directly affect them? That I definitely would expect. You're somewhere between asking or demanding unity and unconditional support for a large portion of the hourly workforce yet PT's refused to show up and do just that themselves 5 years ago when full-time rank-and-file members begged part-timers to take a whole two minutes of their time to cast enough votes to keep the last terrible contract from being rammed down members throats on some perverse constitutional loophole.

You really want to sway some of these FT people to your side? Perhaps try to stop attempting to tar them as selfish or even hint that this perceived bias against them is somehow the main cause of why their wages, and yours, are such a gross offense to you. Go look your side in the mirror for a change and tell them that maybe some of their cavalier attitude toward participation, and especially sense of unity when greatly needed, just might play a significant part as to why they currently are where they are.

You ever stop to think that part timers don’t vote because they’re barely paid scraping by and don’t plan on make it a career here? And they’re 60% of the labor. And that’s exactly what corporate wants?

Like damn man, think. Maybe back in the day, when part timers were paid the equivalent to $25 an hour starting out, this was more of a career option for them now. And they’re the reason so many of you have full time jobs

It’s almost like the ceo and corporate wants underpaid part time employees because it’s cheaper to switch them out for basically Pennys rather then pay them health insurance and good wages

Maybe if they were paid more they would be invested more and vote, like they did in 97, which is what got you guys the full time jobs

It’s almost like so many of you are playing right into corporates hands

 

[Undertow]

Side note i am pro the part timers making more than they make now. My center has them at the contractual minimum. You aren't going to attract many and retain them with benefits alone they can't get for 9 months.

Yeah that 9 months is an insult to every hourly whether they be full or part-time and any of us that inquires about why the company took it down that road never gets an answer whether the question is asked to a steward, business manager, or HR rep (on the one in a thousand chance he/she is actually on the property).

Wouldn't surprise me if some of the faulty algorithms that also are embedded into the ORION program were employed in the long term planning of establishing the health care pkg for new hires.

 

[Karma...]

what percentage of ft people vote ? what percentage of pt people vote ? those are valid questions on the status of the union and why pt pay is too low....a unified union is needed and perhaps Sean can do that.......this is from a retired management person who thinks the teamsters and supervisors are the back bone of ups......

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Out of necessity because McDonald’s is hiring for more and we can barely keep or hire people. We went from being the leading pay to being a laughing stock.

Imagine if we kept raising it consistently throughout the years? Maybe corporate wouldn’t have gotten such a huge slice of the pie. The pie we baked

Mkay.
I fully support pushing to phase out part time jobs. There really shouldn't be part time jobs at a union shop. People deserve the dignity of a real job.

 

[Undertow]

You ever stop to think that part timers don’t vote because they’re barely paid scraping by and don’t plan on make it a career here? And they’re 60% of the labor. And that’s exactly what corporate wants?

Like damn man, think. Maybe back in the day, when part timers were paid the equivalent to $25 an hour starting out, this was more of a career option for them now. And they’re the reason so many of you have full time jobs

It’s almost like the ceo and corporate wants underpaid part time employees because it’s cheaper to switch them out for basically Pennys rather then pay them health insurance and good wages

Maybe if they were paid more they would be invested more and vote, like they did in 97, which is what got you guys the full time jobs

It’s almost like so many of you are playing right into corporates hands

FT's aren't "playing into corporate's hands" when they implore PT employees to take a whole 2 minutes to vote down a contract that widens the very disparity that you endlessly keep wailing away about being so unfair to you. Anybody with enough common sense would know that the last thing corporate wanted 5 years ago was for FT employees to exert precious effort and time when the window was as short to mount a campaign to plead with PT employees to help all hourlies BUT ESPECIALLY THEMSELVES AND SACRIFICE TWO WHOLE MINUTES OF THEIR LIVES and simply cast a vote in their own self interest.
You can try to ignore the history all you want and that still isn't going to change it.

Spin it any way you want to and try to deflect blame all you want, but if PT workers indeed know that management wants them to suffer and yet they by and large won't so much as lift a finger and simply vote after how many consecutive contracts than way too many of them quit on themselves and helped cement their fate. Don't blame FT's for not reaching down low enough to help pull them up when they can't be bothered exert enough energy to reach their arms up in an effort to join hands and thus unify. Part-timers have had how many opportunities to join the fight over the last 20 years or so. The "barely scraping by" tears and "don't plan on making a career here" nonsense isn't going to win converts if the majority of the 60% of the workforce can't, or more accurately won't bother to make any effort to help themselves.

With guys like you dreaming any excuse out of thin air in an attempt to exonerate PT workers of having to particapate in even the most minimal way to help themselves, it wouldn't surprise me if a supermajority of them pulled yet another no-show this time around even if O'Brien did secure them double the wage they are at now. Of course at that point, you will be back here stating it's "beacuse too any full-timers are really tools of the boardroom in Atlanta" and "Too many of us didn't feel FT's respect us."

 

[yadadamean116]

Did I say I didn’t enjoy my job?

You talk in generals as did I