UPS Plans to Cut Non-Driver Jobs to Mitigate Union Labor Costs

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. At least 95% of reports at UPS are fudged in some way. You should know that by now. They throw out a bogus number like that to keep the shareholders happy. If they had to run a route with the solution changing 50 times and wanting you to get to pickups 2 hours early, they would understand the joke it is and that the numbers
are lies.
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right so :censored2: you made up is obviously true, whereas if i say something based on ACTUAL FIGURES it's "doesn't make it true"

this is why i'm in management, and you do what you're told
 

RetiredIE

Retirement is VASTLY underrated
Should a delivery driver make $45/hr?

A public school teacher in the US makes an average of $28/hour.


In a capitalist economy, jobs earn what organizations are willing to pay, so UPS drivers are worth $45/hour. BTW, Lamar Jackson (QB for the Ravens) makes abut $6,500/hour to play football. We could decide if that makes sense over a beer, but it is reality.
 

Manifesto

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right so :censored2: you made up is obviously true, whereas if i say something based on ACTUAL FIGURES it's "doesn't make it true"

this is why i'm in management, and you do what you're told
What did I make up? You wouldn't know because you have no clue how our job is done. I've had times where the solution has changed after every stop because it wants me to get to a pickup early. Which I won't do.
 

RetiredIE

Retirement is VASTLY underrated
This is how things like Orion, etc., continue to happen. Complete disconnect from the people who plan and create things from their offices and what actually happens.

I was part of the early team that developed ORION and it worked EXTREMELY well. In the test locations, the TRAINED management team updated the map data and route configurations daily to make sure the answers made sense.

It was said back then that ORION was like a fine violin that needs to be kept in tune every day. If this is not done, you end up with very, very expensive garbage, which is where UPS is today.

ORION is not a technology failure. I have seen it work very effectively over and over with my own eyes. It is an implementation and accountability failure. When the shine dulls on ORION in a center and the center team loses focus, it goes VERY bad VERY quickly, and setting it right is daunting.
 

RangerMan06

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I was part of the early team that developed ORION and it worked EXTREMELY well. In the test locations, the TRAINED management team updated the map data and route configurations daily to make sure the answers made sense.

It was said back then that ORION was like a fine violin that needs to be kept in tune every day. If this is not done, you end up with very, very expensive garbage, which is where UPS is today.

ORION is not a technology failure. I have seen it work very effectively over and over with my own eyes. It is an implementation and accountability failure. When the shine dulls on ORION in a center and the center team loses focus, it goes VERY bad VERY quickly, and setting it right is daunting.
ORION has never worked well in my center on any route except maybe a few rural only routes with no pickups
 

PT Car Washer

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A public school teacher in the US makes an average of $28/hour.


In a capitalist economy, jobs earn what organizations are willing to pay, so UPS drivers are worth $45/hour. BTW, Lamar Jackson (QB for the Ravens) makes abut $6,500/hour to play football. We could decide if that makes sense over a beer, but it is reality.
Is that why a Union Porter at UPS (cleans the toilets) makes $45/hr?
 
What did I make up? You wouldn't know because you have no clue how our job is done. I've had times where the solution has changed after every stop because it wants me to get to a pickup early. Which I won't do.
I've dispatched and driven ORION, spare me your nonsense cope
 
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