UPS Strike prediction

[some1else]

Strawman. I said if you let your bottom line be known, it would lower leverage. Union leaders are politicians, they won't reveal their unattainable opening gambits as they won't be met, and they won't be re-elected when members are pissed that unattainable goals weren't met. If they reveal their real goals, which may be aggressive, they lose leverage.

That’s my point as well. It’s obviously bad for O’Brien to make concrete promises or goals known to members. I proposed that in response to the question if we knew his conversion from Hoffa disciple to reformer was not genuine what could we do. I still think that would be a benefit to members in a low trust situation, but yes it would put him in a more difficult, or more accountable, position.

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

All the PT stups I wanted to brick quit. This sucks

 

[fxdwg]

The reason is very obvious. You don't tell the folks you are negotiating against what your red lines are - you always ask for more and 'negotiate' to your real goals. If you told people your starting proposals, you would have unrealistic expectations. If you shared your red lines / ultimate goals you would lose leverage. Negotiating 101, but I do understand that socialists don't use logic.

LOL. Where are you coming up with this?
Read Fisher and Ury of the Harvard Negotiating Project.
Principled Negotiation has demonstrated to be the most effective strategy in lieu of some elementary method such as you describe in your posts. You RESOLVE the conflicts, not introduce more.
I'm not going to embarrass you and ask where you were trained on Negotiating, but you should read "Getting to Yes".

p.s. That's why some of your Members have been telling you (on here) to decide what you really need and then want.

 

[Pullman Brown]

The reason is very obvious. You don't tell the folks you are negotiating against what your red lines are - you always ask for more and 'negotiate' to your real goals. If you told people your starting proposals, you would have unrealistic expectations. If you shared your red lines / ultimate goals you would lose leverage. Negotiating 101, but I do understand that socialists don't use logic.

 

[542thruNthru]

That article is drivel,
Now TDU isn't radical enough? Fake “dissidents" lol.

The 2/3 rule wasn't arcane or mysterious its was right in the constitution and has been used before.
By this writers analysis 90% of the contract is arcane to most members because they don't READ IT. Its gone now, and I was one who voted to be rid of it at the convention, so game on Teamster members, put up or shut up time, no more safety net, or ability to blame the leadership.

Then he said the membership was "Seething" and than says the election had "lowest turnout of any direct elections in the history of the Teamsters, to replace former president James Hoffa Jr." Wow Tom really seething, sounds more like complacency to me. The same reason the 2/3 rule was able to be used in 2018.

Tom Didn't like the speach Sunday? Eh so what, most know its posturing, and many I've talked to liked the energy. At the very least they were interested enough to watch. Haven't seen that in years.

"The “promise” to strike if a deal is not in place by the expiration date only underscores that they intend to get a deal done well in advance of the deadline to pre-empt a strike. Industry consultant Satish Jindel has predicted a deal will get done by the end of June, and that there was “no chance” of a strike, according to an article in Freightwaves" .......

Satish Jindel, who? this garbage article is based off some consultants guess? Does he also know the Powerball numbers for the lottery?

Tom goes on to bitch about the carhaul contract. The very fact Obrian was able to get ANY contract much less one with significant improvements to a DYING industry like Carhaul was an absolute shock and a huge win. Tom is ignorant to the reality of this industry. I am well aware and understand carhaul.

The rest of the article is a leftist rant against the government and the union.Tinfoil hat conspiracy, Pure nonsense/Anarchy against the union.

"This is why the World Socialist Web Site urges workers to take the initiative out of the hands of the Teamsters apparatus by forming rank-and-file committees, which would transfer decision-making power from the union apparatus to workers themselves.".....
So Tom want 250,000+ differnt opinions to negotiate the contact?
Absolute Fool
Absolute Foolish deranged website full of malcontents.

Well said! Also I find it funny that @Tom who was all gung-ho for someone to debate him about this article has completely ignored this comment from the beginning. So disappointing. How is he supposed to "solve the issue" if he doesn't respond.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

I read this news headline and couldn't help but think the company could be proposing to install these cameras.

James Webb Space Telescope captures most detailed ever image of Uranus

The James Webb Space Telescope captured the most detailed image of the seventh planet from the Sun, Uranus, showing 11 of the 13 known rings.

www.foxnews.com

Seems like a tremendous amount of money, just to find out there are rings around Uranus.

 

[clean hairy]

Don’t worry he is about to get Dave to prove me wrong and form a middle school level argument and I will be deleting this account so it dosnt matter

Fixed

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

Stop using Indian apps

Good morning, sir.

 

[Babagounj]

Here how this thing works; sales reps for other carriers are going around telling all the shippers that if UPS strikes unless they haven't already signed up to inclusion agreements , they will not be serviced.
What many do not realize is other carriers do not have the capacity to handle any extra work.
In takes time to expand their networks and hired the additional workers to fill those roles, if they can find them.

I recall that the USPS was hiring during the 1997 strike.
They gathered all job applicants in a large room that was overflowing with people.
The first thing everyone was told that no UPS employees would be hire.
That room quickly emptied out, leaving just a few.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Here how this thing works; sales reps for other carriers are going around telling all the shippers that if UPS strikes unless they haven't already signed up to inclusion agreements , they will not be serviced.
What many do not realize is other carriers do not have the capacity to handle any extra work.
In takes time to expand their networks and hired the additional workers to fill those roles, if they can find them.

I recall that the USPS was hiring during the 1997 strike.
They gathered all job applicants in a large room that was overflowing with people.
The first thing everyone was told that no UPS employees would be hire.
That room quickly emptied out, leaving just a few.

Oh the post office dropped off a bunch of flyers at our UPS facility in 1997 begging for workers

 

[Babagounj]

Oh the post office dropped off a bunch of flyers at our UPS facility in 1997 begging for workers

Different regions, I guess.

 

[Wally]

Don’t worry he is about to prove me wrong and form a middle school level argument and I will be deleting this account so it dosnt matter

When are you deleting and why?

 

[DELACROIX]

That’s my point as well. It’s obviously bad for O’Brien to make concrete promises or goals known to members. I proposed that in response to the question if we knew his conversion from Hoffa disciple to reformer was not genuine what could we do. I still think that would be a benefit to members in a low trust situation, but yes it would put him in a more difficult, or more accountable, position.

O’Brien is head of one of the largest Unions in the world.. he ain’t accountable to no one..

He controls the narrative with this Contract, live with it…

 

[fxdwg]

O’Brien is head of one of the largest Unions in the world.. he ain’t accountable to no one..

He controls the narrative with this Contract, live with it…

He ain't?
What does your 2nd sentence mean?
I think it's "He decides what to ask for and what to accept".
Is that your meaning?

 

[DELACROIX]

He ain't?
What does your 2nd sentence mean?
I think it's "He decides what to ask for and what to accept".
Is that your meaning?

Sure .. that is good enough…

 

[RUDoneYet]

He's the reason for EDD failure

@I have NOT been lurking you are far closer to the truth than you realize

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

@I have NOT been lurking you are far closer to the truth than you realize

I know. Most call centers dumped these people and Coral Tomèbergsteinowitz is making the same short term mistake other companies did with poo labor

 

[DELACROIX]

I know. Most call centers dumped these people and Coral Tomèbergsteinowitz is making the same short term mistake other companies did with poo labor

Define..”poo labor” ? …please…

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

Define..”poo labor” ? …please…

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Sysco Louisville Teamsters strike ends, 1st deal signed; Indianapolis over also

Striking Sysco drivers in Louisville, Kentucky, reached agreement on a contract, the first since the union was voted in last August.

www.freightwaves.com