Vaccine Mandates, Teamsters caving?

The Driver

I drive.
You don't have to "withhold" anything.

We follow smokers and non-smokers after each have made their decisions.

We have not done the same for the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

You just don't want to do science
Useless. Can't be sure they're not lying about their vaccination status, for one.

Buddy, we can see what's happening to the control group. They're much, much more likely to die of infection.
 

The Driver

I drive.
Yeah, in a supposed pandemic with no overrun hospitals and nobody around me or near to me dead, I have to take fancy tests to know if I have something and I have to be threatened to get a vaccine. And then the makers have no responsibility if I have a problem. It's bull:censored2:.
You'll take the vaccine and shut up. And you'll like it.
 

wilberforce15

Well-Known Member
Useless. Can't be sure they're not lying about their vaccination status, for one.

Buddy, we can see what's happening to the control group. They're much, much more likely to die of infection.
Sure we can know.

If you want to say we can't know, throw all of science out.

We can't see what's happening to the control group, because we haven't matched them with an experimental group of like demographic and lifestyle.

That would be science.
 

MyTripisCut

Never bought my own handtruck
What medicine? I don't recall being told to take it with a knife to my throat before either.
Ever taken a generic prescription? They are legally protected. Who’s holding a knife? When people make irrational decisions that potentially cause damage to others then yes, coercion is a possibility.
 

The Driver

I drive.
Sure we can know.

If you want to say we can't know, throw all of science out.

We can't see what's happening to the control group, because we haven't matched them with an experimental group of like demographic and lifestyle.

That would be science.
We don't test parachutes and no-parachutes on soldiers. We give them all a parachute. It's an out of control pandemic.

"We don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
 

wilberforce15

Well-Known Member
We don't test parachutes and no-parachutes on soldiers. We give them all a parachute. It's an out of control pandemic.

"We don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
We follow smokers. And then we follow non-smokers.

People make choices opposite of what their doctors want, and then we follow them to see what happens.

This is normal. But we don't do it now.
 

The Driver

I drive.
We follow smokers. And then we follow non-smokers.

People make choices opposite of what their doctors want, and then we follow them to see what happens.

This is normal. But we don't do it now.
Let me slow down so you can keep up.

It's unethical. This is a contagious pathogen. To have a regular control group is to encourage those to become infected and spread the contagion to others at a higher rate than those who have some immunological protection.
 

sailfish

Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
Ever taken a generic prescription? They are legally protected. Who’s holding a knife? When people make irrational decisions that potentially cause damage to others then yes, coercion is a possibility.
Aspirin's track record is a little more proven than this bull:censored2:. There's nothing irrational about not taking it. If someone feels they're at risk of the viwus then they can get the vaccine and shut the :censored2: up. Hell, they can lock themselves at home forever for all I care. I really don't give a :censored2:.
 

wilberforce15

Well-Known Member
Let me slow down so you can keep up.

It's unethical. This is a contagious pathogen. To have a regular control group is to encourage those to become infected and spread the contagion to others at a higher rate than those who have some immunological protection.
You can make a case that it would be unethical to withhold the vaccine.

I'm asking you to follow the people who are deciding not to take it, and compare outcomes, adjusting for demographic and lifestyle factors.

That would be science.

We aren't doing it.
 

The Driver

I drive.
Bunch of little bitches afraid of the sniffles in here.
1,500 families a day are having to say goodbye forever to Bubba and Karen. Because Bubba and Karen's Jimmy Dean-encrusted brains were too deranged to make a reasonable decision to protect themselves and too selfish to even begin thinking about the welfare of others in their Covid-blasting path.
 

wilberforce15

Well-Known Member
We also have never investigated any other vaccines this way. They all say it's "unethical."

Bull:censored2:. You're hiding.

You only have to find and follow people who have decided themselves not to take the thing. Then compare outcomes.

We don't. And it's super-duper-shady.
 

MyTripisCut

Never bought my own handtruck
Aspirin's track record is a little more proven than this bull:censored2:. There's nothing irrational about not taking it. If someone feels they're at risk of the viwus then they can get the vaccine and shut the :censored2: up. Hell, they can lock themselves at home forever for all I care. I really don't give a :censored2:.
Why don’t you volunteer to lock yourself at home instead of the other way around? You see, irrational.
 
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