What is the REAL reason negotiations have stalled?

[Thebrownblob]

You were at the 97 strike was any of that going on? People fighting cops and all kinds of violence.

Violence? not really, tension? sure.

 

[Thebrownblob]

If anything the violence will be between the full time and part time workers

 

[9.5mania]

We'll see what the public thinks if your strike erupts into violence and cops start getting beat up and state governors react harshly.
I actually looking forward to seeing you people go on strike just to see how long you can hold your ranks together for however long it takes and you can keep it peaceful. I want to see how long you can cope with the pressure and anguish of a protracted strike.

I want to see if the bluster, bragging and bravado you people have been expending in record setting quantities can be backed up with matching quantities of determined resolve.

Fed, Fed, Fed! You sir are the Ray Epps of the UPS strike.

 

[I have NOT been lurking]

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He's got a score to settle

 

[burrheadd]

without the pters the fters would absolutely not have the pay or benefits they have....

Lol

 

[HarryWarden]

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I was just joking around lol with all the part time arguments on here, obviously not true

The guy in that gif is freakin hilarious by the way I don’t know if you’ve seen any of his sketches

 

[RTS313]

If anything the violence will be between the full time and part time workers

 

[100%]

In 2018, there was a clearly divisive wedge issue put forth by the union and UPS that pitted part timers vs. full timers. It was about the creation of the 22.4 positions. Part timers were also granted historically high raises (although we all know it was long overdue by that point). The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it, so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's. The PT's didn't even consider for a moment that had sabotaged themselves in the long run. So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

Rich vs Us that’s how i see it. Nothing less

 

[100%]

But we aren't going to reject the contract over ft wages. Full-timers are very well compensated. There's not very many people willing to bring the company to a halt because some people expect an immediate raise to $50/hr.

I expect it. I mean, when I lose 20% of my buying power bc of Rich people ruining our economy, I want my money back. Plain and simple. Give me my 20% back. Do the math. If you lost 20% of your pay, where would be be?…….$50/hr +-. Not only did they destroy the value of our money but then they give us high interest rates and give the banks loans. The way the rich are stealing from us now, we may need to be at $60 by the end of this contract.

 

[Gorilla Biscuit]

You were at the 97 strike was any of that going on? People fighting cops and all kinds of violence.

I was at the 97 strike and the closest thing we had to violence was a 6’5” muscle bound driver singing “I believe I can fly” as loud as he could through the fence.

 

[moldsporh]

Why have they stalled?

Maybe our CEO has never browned up and ran a route, or loaded package cars in the sweat shops of UPS buildings.

Safe bet most of the public is unaware it's 2023 and UPS does not air condition the vast majority of buildings where the hourlies work.

 

[vvv]

I was at the 97 strike and the closest thing we had to violence was a 6’5” muscle bound driver singing “I believe I can fly” as loud as he could through the fence.

WOW......sounds like you guys had the time of your lives out there.

 

[Bubblehead]

Safe bet most of the public is unaware it's 2023 and UPS does not air condition the vast majority of buildings where the hourlies work.

....and only heat them enough to keep the pipes from freezing.

 

[Gorilla Biscuit]

....and only heat them enough to keep the pipes from freezing.

Not even. Pipes burst in our building every winter.

 

[anonymous23456]

Not even. Pipes burst in our building every winter.

Terrible. UPS sounds like a primitive company comparing to Tesla or SpaceX or Apple.

 

[Gorilla Biscuit]

Terrible. UPS sounds like a primitive company comparing to Tesla or SpaceX or Apple.

Yup. They make self driving cars,space ships and cutting edge technology. We pick up boxes in one place and put them down in another.

 

[Pullman Brown]

....and only heat them enough to keep the pipes from freezing.

You would know the answer to this. If a tentative agreement is made, legally, the union can’t strike correct? Can you point me to a resource on this.

 

[mikejonesjr]

You would know the answer to this. If a tentative agreement is made, legally, the union can’t strike correct? Can you point me to a resource on this.

What the hell would the strike be for then? Obviously not

 

[mikejonesjr]

In 2018, there was a clearly divisive wedge issue put forth by the union and UPS that pitted part timers vs. full timers. It was about the creation of the 22.4 positions. Part timers were also granted historically high raises (although we all know it was long overdue by that point). The PT's were quite enthusiastic about it, so they threw their support behind it at the expense of the FT's. The PT's didn't even consider for a moment that had sabotaged themselves in the long run. So let's not pretend for a moment that certain classifications are either more or less honorable than others.

PTers were not enthusiastic about the last contract lmao. That crappy contract created the wage gap problem we have now where 5-10 year part timers make nearly the same as new hires today. And if you started after Aug 2018 you’re making like a whopping $16 an hour. Historically high raises my ass lol

 

[Bubblehead]

You would know the answer to this. If a tentative agreement is made, legally, the union can’t strike correct? Can you point me to a resource on this.

If you are referring to a "handshake agreement", I would read up on "good faith bargaining".