100 OTR Feeder Drivers Fired

[Mugarolla]

So 100 feeder drivers risked a $100,000+ a year job to get home a 1/2 hr earlier? No way. There's gotta be more to this story.

I did a mileage job for awhile. I never slept during my meal and I usually only ate a granola bar or something. It was good to just relax for a half hour though.

There were many days that I would just rather get home earlier instead of just sitting down for 20 minutes or a half hour.

I would go on meal and do all my turn around stuff while on meal. Didn't really matter, I was only paid for the miles I drove.

Once I got done with all that, I had about 5 or 10 minutes to kill left on my meal. Enough time to eat a granola bar and chill for a few minutes.

Granted, this was back before the DOT 8 hour rule.

These guys probably just thought that they could do what I used to do and get away with it, or that UPS would not care that they were working during their meal. The DOT does not see this, and has no way of knowing that they did not take a full 30 minute rest period, so if UPS looked the other way and didn't care, everything was good.

What the DOT didn't know didn't hurt them. I guess UPS is pushing the issue all the way to discharge though.

 

[trickpony1]

I fail to see the difference between feeder drivers working on their meal (off the clock) and pkg drivers doing the same thing.

 

[over9five]

Working terminations or actually walked out?

Walked out, no chance of return until panel some time in Feb.

 

[over9five]

Oh sleeper teams. Still,why?

I guess to start their weekends 5 hours earlier.

 

[Wally]

Our metro FT sup is sitting at home accused of fudging time cards.

Good. Fired I hope?

 

[Mugarolla]

I fail to see the difference between feeder drivers working on their meal (off the clock) and pkg drivers doing the same thing.

There is no difference for the feeder drivers paid by the hour. You are working for free.

Mileage feeder drivers are a different. They are only paid by the mile.

Example:

Feeder/package driver working from 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM and working through their lunch. They actually worked for 9 hours, but had their lunch deducted so only got paid for 8.5 hours. Worked half an hour for free.

A mileage feeder driver driving 550 miles only gets paid for 550 miles whether he takes a half hour lunch, works through his half hour lunch or does not take a lunch at all. (I know, it is a DOT violation.)

He gets home half an hour earlier, but does not work for free. He still only gets paid for 550 miles.

 

[Johney]

I guess to start their weekends 5 hours earlier.

Idiots.

 

[clean hairy]

Although, if a Driver is clocked out for lunch and keeps driving, what would the repercussions be if involved in an accident during that 30 min or hour?
They are not on the clock in service of the Company, so they are doing company work on personal time.
Is the Driver even authorized to drive a Company vehicle on personal time off the clock?
Seems to be quite a legal mess that could surface....

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Good. Fired I hope?

Nothing definite yet.

 

[Johney]

I did a mileage job for awhile. I never slept during my meal and I usually only ate a granola bar or something. It was good to just relax for a half hour though.

There were many days that I would just rather get home earlier instead of just sitting down for 20 minutes or a half hour.

I would go on meal and do all my turn around stuff while on meal. Didn't really matter, I was only paid for the miles I drove.

Once I got done with all that, I had about 5 or 10 minutes to kill left on my meal. Enough time to eat a granola bar and chill for a few minutes.

Granted, this was back before the DOT 8 hour rule.

These guys probably just thought that they could do what I used to do and get away with it, or that UPS would not care that they were working during their meal. The DOT does not see this, and has no way of knowing that they did not take a full 30 minute rest period, so if UPS looked the other way and didn't care, everything was good.

What the DOT didn't know didn't hurt them. I guess UPS is pushing the issue all the way to discharge though.

The only way I see this as being an issue is if the DOT came down hard on UPS for violations.

 

[Johney]

Good. Fired I hope?

You know better than that.

 

[Johney]

I fail to see the difference between feeder drivers working on their meal (off the clock) and pkg drivers doing the same thing.

I think the issue is feeder drivers can't hide it like P/C drivers.

 

[Wally]

You know better than that.

True.

What we need is a huge class action suit for damages. Heads would roll!

 

[Mugarolla]

The only way I see this as being an issue is if the DOT came down hard on UPS for violations.

I agree. And when I sometimes did this, it was before the DOT 8 hour rule. Basically, UPS and the DOT did not care.

Now, maybe the DOT knows this is happening and told UPS that they may audit the timecards to look for this type of violation.

Either way, it is a violation and employees can be disciplined for it.

I cannot see it being a cardinal sin unless they are getting them for dishonesty.

 

[over9five]

Although, if a Driver is clocked out for lunch and keeps driving, what would the repercussions be if involved in an accident during that 30 min or hour?
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Bingo! Seems a team was involved in an accident while "on break". I was told State Police decided to investigate all team drivers at UPS. 75 teams were in violation country-wide.

Remember peeps, this is all unverified. It's just what I heard.
Over9five strongly recommends that all drivers follow DOT rules, UPS rules, and the laws of the land.

 

[rod]

Until he learns how to fudge time cards without getting caught.

I bet other centers are begging to get him

 

[WorknLateHuh]

I bet other centers are begging to get him

yep, or get him to train other soul'less sups

 

[Rick Ross]

There is no difference for the feeder drivers paid by the hour. You are working for free.

Mileage feeder drivers are a different. They are only paid by the mile.

Example:

Feeder/package driver working from 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM and working through their lunch. They actually worked for 9 hours, but had their lunch deducted so only got paid for 8.5 hours. Worked half an hour for free.

A mileage feeder driver driving 550 miles only gets paid for 550 miles whether he takes a half hour lunch, works through his half hour lunch or does not take a lunch at all. (I know, it is a DOT violation.)

He gets home half an hour earlier, but does not work for free. He still only gets paid for 550 miles.

You don't get paid for TA time on your mileage runs? We get paid for start time, all TA time, .17 added for break if taken and finish work time. We can also choose whether start work or finish work is paid at OT rate.

Last mileage run I did was 596 miles but was held an hour and a half because a sort was way late, so I took the 1.5 start work as my OT and had .45 TA + .17 break and .75 finish work as straight time. About $600 for under 12 hours total which is why our mileage guys work forevor.

 

[Rick Ross]

Sleeper teams can have some tight schedules but I would guess they were trying to inbound early to get on the clock.

Where I am they have to be on the yard 2 hours on the longest leg of the trip before they are paid for detention, all other stops are on the clock as soon as you inbound. This resets every time you go to your home domicile so most of our sleeper teams have to wait 2 hours twice per week since they usually come home once during the week for a partial day. Get to a few sorts 2-3 hours early and it's a lot of extra cash for the week because it's paid as OT if I remember correctly...Been awhile since I've covered a sleeper run.

 

[Non sequitur]

Why would team drivers need to stop the truck? Don't they just switch and roll like a 5 min piss break.