2023 contract

[Thebrownblob]

One of the biggest strikes in US history is brewing at UPS

Over the past year, the nascent labor movements at mighty corporations like Starbucks and Amazon have grabbed national attention. But less well-known is a looming high-stakes clash between one of America's oldest unions and the world's biggest package courier.

www.cnn.com

“Already, before the talks have even started, labor experts are predicting that the drivers and package handlers will go on strike.”

Who are the labor experts? Not one proposal or Negotiating Session has taken place officially yet

 

[imjanedoe]

What caused the 1997 strike?
The union wanted to maintain control of the pension fund
It wasn’t only about creating more FT jobs.
I’m ready anyway

 

[Thebrownblob]

What caused the 1997 strike?
The union wanted to maintain control of the pension fund
It wasn’t only about creating more FT jobs.
I’m ready anyway

Much like most labor disputes there’s more than one answer. Full-time jobs was a very large part, and my opinion was the biggest win. Control of the pension was also an issue which in my opinion was the biggest mistake of 97. Also Ron Carry was a former UPS driver who was ready to teach UPS a lesson.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Much like most labor disputes there’s more than one answer. Full-time jobs was a very large part, and my opinion was the biggest win. Control of the pension was also an issue which in my opinion was the biggest mistake of 97. Also Ron Carry was a former UPS driver who was ready to teach UPS a lesson.

Ron Carry definitely had a vendetta against the company. The pension issue was just an excuse. UPS didn't help anything by declaring its offer as their best and last offer.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ron Carry definitely had a vendetta against the company. The pension issue was just an excuse. UPS didn't help anything by declaring its offer as their best and last offer.

Agreed both sides seems ready to fight. It was still an impressive show of solidarity by the members.

 

[imjanedoe]

I wish we could press the issue during peak when the backlog would be huge and we’d all be home with our families at a decent time

 

[imjanedoe]

Ron Carry definitely had a vendetta against the company. The pension issue was just an excuse. UPS didn't help anything by declaring its offer as their best and last offer.

Do you think he was set up? So much politics

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[Pullman Brown]

One of the biggest strikes in US history is brewing at UPS

Over the past year, the nascent labor movements at mighty corporations like Starbucks and Amazon have grabbed national attention. But less well-known is a looming high-stakes clash between one of America's oldest unions and the world's biggest package courier.

www.cnn.com

“Already, before the talks have even started, labor experts are predicting that the drivers and package handlers will go on strike.”

Who are the labor experts? Not one proposal or Negotiating Session has taken place officially yet

What contingency plans is she talking about?
Yellow journalism!

 

[Thebrownblob]

What contingency plans is she talking about?
Yellow journalism!

Everything is an emergency in the media

 

[Pullman Brown]

Everything is an emergency in the media

Exactly, what fear mongering disaster can we create today! Good grief!

 

[zubenelgenubi]

One of the biggest strikes in US history is brewing at UPS

Over the past year, the nascent labor movements at mighty corporations like Starbucks and Amazon have grabbed national attention. But less well-known is a looming high-stakes clash between one of America's oldest unions and the world's biggest package courier.

www.cnn.com

“Already, before the talks have even started, labor experts are predicting that the drivers and package handlers will go on strike.”

Who are the labor experts? Not one proposal or Negotiating Session has taken place officially yet

I don't really care if it is scaremongering. If it gets companies who use us to voice their concerns about a strike to the company, that's good for us.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Abraham Lincoln's Speech at the Wisconsin State Fair

The world is agreed that labor is the source from which human wants are mainly supplied. There is no dispute upon this point. From this point, however, men immediately diverge. Much disputation is maintained as to the best way of applying and controlling the labor element. By some it is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital -- that nobody labors, unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow, by the use of that capital, induces him to do it. Having assumed this, they proceed to consider whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent; or buy them, and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far they naturally conclude that all laborers are necessarily either hired laborers, or slaves. They further assume that whoever is once a hired laborer, is fatally fixed in that condition for life; and thence again that his condition is as bad as, or worse than that of a slave. This is the "mud-sill" theory.

But another class of reasoners hold the opinion that there is no such relation between capital and labor, as assumed; and that there is no such thing as a freeman being fatally fixed for life, in the condition of a hired laborer, that both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them groundless. They hold that labor is prior to, and independent of, capital; that, in fact, capital is the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed -- that labor can exist without capital, but that capital could never have existed without labor. Hence they hold that labor is the superior -- greatly the superior -- of capital.

They do not deny that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital. The error, as they hold, is in assuming that the whole labor of the world exists within that relation. A few men own capital; and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital, hire, or buy, another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class -- neither work for others, nor have others working for them. Even in all our slave States, except South Carolina, a majority of the whole people of all colors, are neither slaves nor masters. In these Free States, a large majority are neither hirers or hired. Men, with their families -- wives, sons and daughters -- work for themselves, on their farms, in their houses and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand, nor of hirelings or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, labor with their own hands, and also buy slaves or hire freemen to labor for them; but this is only a mixed, and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class. Again, as has already been said, the opponents of the "mud-sill" theory insist that there is not, of necessity, any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. There is demonstration for saying this. Many independent men, in this assembly, doubtless a few years ago were hired laborers. And their case is almost if not quite the general rule.

 

[DtownLAdriver]

The only thing this company understands is a money penalty
So if you go over 9 hours and start paying double time or if you over 10 hours and pay triple time it may be worth their while to make sure you stay under those hours

Exactly only thing they care about is the numbers. If I keep slammed on a route I just “work safer” & work more hours. It hurts my managers bonus which Means they make a change. It’s pretty simple .

 

[100%]

Agreed both sides seems ready to fight. It was still an impressive show of solidarity by the members.

UPS will be fighting a losing battle.

 

[BeachBoy]

It does not matter if I like it or not
This is what this job entails

No different from part-timers expecting to make a full-time wage if not what the job is either

Since I started, 5 years ago as a PT worker, I have worked over 2000 hours every year. Some years over 2400.
I get paid less than full timers that make more and work less, and my pension is half what they make. I am scheduled to start at 1 am and finish work around 10. No lunch.
I'm looking at several more years of this before I have the seniority to get a "full time" position.
Why should I vote yes to a contract that essentially punishes me to get people making twice what I make, more?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Since I started, 5 years ago as a PT worker, I have worked over 2000 hours every year. Some years over 2400.
I get paid less than full timers that make more and work less, and my pension is half what they make. I am scheduled to start at 1 am and finish work around 10. No lunch.
I'm looking at several more years of this before I have the seniority to get a "full time" position.
Why should I vote yes to a contract that essentially punishes me to get people making twice what I make, more?

Number one vote the conscience
Number to the people are driving dude serve what they are getting there's a lot more responsibility than working inside the hub

 

[BeachBoy]

Number one vote the conscience
Number to the people are driving dude serve what they are getting there's a lot more responsibility than working inside the hub

I understand what drivers do, I worked as a helper for 6 peaks before a driver friend convinced me to come to the dark side.
It's a BS job, but I do it and do it well. I'm old, and I take pride in what I do.
But, I've been working full time hours since I started. At the very least I should be accruing a ft pension.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I understand what drivers do, I worked as a helper for 6 peaks before a driver friend convinced me to come to the dark side.
It's a BS job, but I do it and do it well. I'm old, and I take pride in what I do.
But, I've been working full time hours since I started. At the very least I should be accruing a ft pension.

Either you should get a full-time pension or you should have a full-time job if you're working that many hours

 

[tourists24]

I understand what drivers do, I worked as a helper for 6 peaks before a driver friend convinced me to come to the dark side.
It's a BS job, but I do it and do it well. I'm old, and I take pride in what I do.
But, I've been working full time hours since I started. At the very least I should be accruing a ft pension.

If you're classified as a part timer then you're going to get the part time benefits. You could make a case to your local that could lead to a new full time inside job (using your pay checks to show the hours). Beware though even it it leads to a new full time inside job then it would have to be bid on. Plus, the company could pull your hours down to part time hours. Catch 22

 

[PT Car Washer]

Number one vote the conscience
Number to the people are driving dude serve what they are getting there's a lot more responsibility than working inside the hub

Yeah I see all of the added responsibilities that the FT Porters and car washers have. Plus the 22.3 FT members working in the Hubs and Preload.