22.4

[PT Car Washer]

its not scaling back so much as being put on hold because ups is waiting to see if we vote yes to 22.4 drivers. its coming brother, its just a matter of whos delivering it. top scale tuesday through saturday drivers or hybrid 22.4 drivers.

I don't think we have any top scale drivers delivering ground on Saturday. All drivers in their first year making $10/hr less then the Air drivers.

 

[Heavy Package]

All extra work and OT up to a total of 70 hours should be offered to full time drivers first; and then to hybrid drivers.

All of this contract language should have been combined in the article 22.4. Not that I agree with a classification of Hybrid Drivers, but the press release on the tentative agreement was awful.

The press release should have clearly stated the new proposal in regards to OT, work week max hours, weekend work, 9.5 list, and PVD's. Without substantial changes to all of these in clear and concise language, we are screwing ourselves. I'm a NO VOTE!!

 

[Skooney]

Do you really think for one second, a company that pays MILLIONS in overtime is going to allow the union to negotiate the protection of your right to the OT, versus paying the hybrid driver less money to finish the work? That is why they were created, bro. Did you think the purpose of the 22.4 positions was to load planes and work day sorts, while running some EAM's for a couple hours in the morning?

You're on some good , and you should share it with the rest of us, because that isn't happening. I get what you're saying, but I can promise you that isn't in there.

 

[Rick Ross]

Why would people put themselves in the position to absolutely need OT? How would they handle a strike or going out on any type of disability?

I live on 40 hours and use the OT towards things we want and extra savings. If money were that tight a person would basically be forced to vote Yes on any contract they bring us.
I'm not judging but to me living that way is risky.

As far as OT it seems to me if you get your 40 there isn't much you could say. Hopefully if this passes they have this stuff written in stone so it won't be an issue.

 

[Skooney]

Why would people put themselves in the position to absolutely need OT? How would they handle a strike or going out on any type of disability?

I didn't want to be the guy to say it.. Lol.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I believe the company will still load down the regular drivers to the point they become injured, quit or retire. At the same time they move more and more work to the hybrid drivers.

 

[Skooney]

With a 70hr work week, that could definitely push people to do it.

I'm just not sure there is 70hrs a week worth of work for the drivers in our center unless someone wanted it.

 

[PT Car Washer]

With a 70hr work week, that could definitely push people to do it.

I'm just not sure there is 70hrs a week worth of work for the drivers in our center unless someone wanted it.

No 70 hours in my building but PT air drivers are pushing 60 if they want it.

 

[Rick Ross]

I believe the company will still load down the regular drivers to the point they become injured, quit or retire. At the same time they move more and more work to the hybrid drivers.

The only way I will vote Yes with hybrid driver language is if the percentage in relation to regular drivers is low and the number of regular driver spots in a building now were guaranteed to be at least the number we have now.

I think my building is about 200 bid routes with 30 routes working on Saturdays. To me the 200 need to be locked in top pay routes and no more than 30 hybrid drivers, which would also replace our RTD drivers. If they need more drivers in the future they maintain that ratio, or something along those lines.

 

[browned out]

I feel that the contract could and will be deemed to have been negotiated in bad faith if the Teamsters do not protect our right to OT and extra work.

Full Time Drivers stand to lose $25000 or more if our OT and right to extra work is not protected. UPS is by no means obligated to provide any overtime. If they do offer it; it should go to Full Time Drivers who want it first and then be offered to Hybrid drivers. The Teamsters have protected our OT and extra work in the past. The Teamsters are obligated by the Duty of Fair Representation to do the same in this CBA.

Attached is a template of what the language should look like with a few obvious changes. The language will have to be tweaked to Up to 70 hours per week. #4. All Full Time Drivers will be offered all available hours up to twelve (12) hours a day. The Company will continue to honor Drivers who have 9.5 grievances on record. #7. Once all Regular Full Time Drivers and Air Drivers are offered work, the company will have the right to use Part Time Employees and outside hires who worked as seasonal employees.

 

[opie]

Say goodbye to $100K+ year. Feeders is where the money will be. I know drivers who love working the extra hours, and always try to get that 100k mark. Will be harder to do with hybrids taking away hours.

 

[opie]

No 70 hours in my building but PT air drivers are pushing 60 if they want it.

Any danger you feel that hybrids take away work from air drivers? Even bumping them.

 

[1989NW]

So let's just say that the whole idiotic hybrid driver classification gets passed and it becomes a real thing. How would it affect FT non bid drivers? I keep hearing people say that the 25% of low seniority FT drivers would be laid off and the new hybrid drivers would replace them. Is that even possible? How could FT seniority drivers be replaced by hybrid drivers?

 

[sandwich]

So let's just say that the whole idiotic hybrid driver classification gets passed and it becomes a real thing. How would it affect FT non bid drivers? I keep hearing people say that the 25% of low seniority FT drivers would be laid off and the new hybrid drivers would replace them. Is that even possible? How could FT seniority drivers be replaced by hybrid drivers?

No. They cannot lay off someone with seniority to work someone with less seniority.

 

[PT Car Washer]

So let's just say that the whole idiotic hybrid driver classification gets passed and it becomes a real thing. How would it affect FT non bid drivers? I keep hearing people say that the 25% of low seniority FT drivers would be laid off and the new hybrid drivers would replace them. Is that even possible? How could FT seniority drivers be replaced by hybrid drivers?

The work would gradually be shifted to hybrid drivers by attrition. As FT drivers are injured or heavy vacation periods or Peak season more hybrid drivers would be used. Also they could deliver multiple bulk stops or pick ups and free up the regular drivers to do more residential deliveries or to cut more routes. At my building they are cutting bid routes but expanding all residential junk routes that change day to day and are not open to bid.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Any danger you feel that hybrids take away work from air drivers? Even bumping them.

Oh yeah eventually. Especially PT air and air exception drivers who come back and help clean up the building of LIBs and bulk stops or oversize and over wights at top driver rate. We make a killing on the extra work.

 

[UPSTeamster Pragmatist]

oh for heavens sake, everyone bitches about overtime and now everyone is afraid of loosing it, like that will ever happen

 

[Days]

I kind of fear what it'd be like to be a hybrid driver. Big pay bump, but your hours would be like 3 AM and then getting off at like 5 or 6 PM. It'd be like working peak year round.

 

[PT Car Washer]

I kind of fear what it'd be like to be a hybrid driver. Big pay bump, but your hours would be like 3 AM and then getting off at like 5 or 6 PM. It'd be like working peak year round.

Or an Art 22.3 preload/air driver or a PT EAM air driver. Except you would not make top driver rate.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

All of this contract language should have been combined in the article 22.4. Not that I agree with a classification of Hybrid Drivers, but the press release on the tentative agreement was awful.

The press release should have clearly stated the new proposal in regards to OT, work week max hours, weekend work, 9.5 list, and PVD's. Without substantial changes to all of these in clear and concise language, we are screwing ourselves. I'm a NO VOTE!!

I would bet hybrids killed the pvd thing