We all want to make a service to our customers but at the same time we don't want to drop dead doing our job. The company showed us no mercy during the pandemic
6th punch
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Trucker Clock
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Nope. A proud Teamster that wants to see this Company survive, thrive.
They employ hundreds of thousands of Teamsters and I want to keep it that way.
It is the Company’s fault that we are here. But just because I don’t want this to be a disastrous peak, doesn’t mean I’m management
I don’t want to see one Teamster lose their job. But, with your attitude, thousands will
If we can’t deliver for the shippers, they will leave and we will lose thousands more jobs that we already have because of the shippers that bailed during contract negotiations.
And yes, that was their fault also.
But with your attitude, screw UPS and make em pay, you don’t seem to care about the thousands of Teamsters who will lose their jobs if we can’t deliver the shippers packages during peak.
Just collateral damage, right.
Sorry, not to me. I care about every Teamster job and every Teamster.
PPH_over_9000
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Quite frankly, if expecting the company to abide by contractual language loses ANY jobs whatsoever, well....
man, that sounds like an issue for the courts to decide.Breach of contract is a very real term and, while I've never even considered it until this moment, you were my inspiration behind the thought.
Staffing issues is not our problem is the company's problem
Unfortunately the company's own word about paying out dividends and not making service to anyone
Better not bigger...
Trucker Clock
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I agree. But it wasn’t. And now we are here.
Without a forced 6th punch, all the packages will not be delivered. Shoppers will go elsewhere after we screw them big time during peak.
And yes, we will lose thousands of jobs as these shippers leave.
And yes, it is the Comoanys fault.
Brown Down
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Just admit your either management or too chicken
to put your foot down on these blatant contract violations. WE are t the cause of potential service failures with this. The company is. They made this bed and they can sleep in it. Grow a pair and stand up to this blatant violation. And if your management you can
off with this game you're trying to play.
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Trucker Clock
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I totally agree. It is the Company's fault.
And it will be fixed after peak.
Brown Down
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Why hurry? Just settle it next contract. You are unfreaking believable you know that?
PPH_over_9000
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So I can agree with this post. It's the first of yours on this topic that I can agree with to some extent and I'm actually really happy to find that common ground.
Where I start to disagree is when you insinuate that it's my job to insulate the company on this issue.
It's not. Point blank, period, full-stop.
I don't want the company to do poorly. I don't want us to lose money. I don't want Teamsters to lose their job.
And the fact of the matter is NONE OF THIS WOULD EVEN BE ON THE TABLE IF THEY HAD ACTED IN GOOD FAITH UPON RATIFICATION.
I can't lose that thought. It boomerangs back to me after every post of yours that I read.
So at the end of the day, yes, I will absolutely pick up the slack but the union's acquiescence on this issue is going to cause at least two changes in my mentality immediately:
First and foremost, I'm going to look at our union leaders (from my local steward all the way up to O'brien himself) as clowns. They're not to be trusted, they don't have my interests in mind and their efforts only strive to provide misinformation to the workforce they pretend to protect.
Secondly, I'm going to lose all my friendly with anybody that shows up to work wearing a polo that has a UPS shield on it instead of in full Browns.
Trucker Clock
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You’re taking it way too personal. Show up and enjoy your job. Cash the check and go home.
If you want to enjoy your job make the customer king. Bid a country route enjoy the radio and a cup of coffee. Once you stop running and follow all the methods your life will instantly become more enjoyable.
Trucker Clock
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I agree. I’ve said that before. This is all on UPS, but here we are.
The International should have stayed on top of it during the 45 day period to come up with a solution.
So I also blame the Union.
Never said to insulate the Company. But to make the Company pay, will cost us a whole lot more than them.
I agree with @IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U. SOB should give them the 6th punch to get through peak, but at double time.
PPH_over_9000
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Jesus Christ I'm tired of people calling me a runner. I bid on a route that typically goes out with 2 trucks, over 400 pieces and I've managed to whittle them down to 148 stops and 8hr days and y'all still have the nerve? I realize what my username implies but christ, dude, I just grew up watching Dragonball Z. I didn't ACTUALLY have a pph over 9000.
I think you're making assumptions and an ass out of yourself on that one.
And we're just having a conversation here. I'm not hyped up, I'm not ready to punch anybody. I'm simply outlining my gameplan for when management hits me with the ol' bait-and-switch. I fully recognize that it's a part of the game, but so are reactions and responses.
No sir, you're right-- you never actually used those words. You insinuated the thought, though, with the idea being that "the company should've done this but they didn't so now you have to do what they refused to do so that we don't lose Teamster jobs."
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PPH_over_9000
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he just forgot to put /s is all
So you intentionally bid a crummy route? And do that much work in eight hours and then expect us not to think you’re not running?
We’re all anonymous here and are just part of the conversation. I try to give solid advice and keep it positive myself. Many of us old guys have been through it all and respond from an experienced point of view.
As for dragon ball Z I know it’s a game but work for a living and have never played it. Just curious
still in progression
Thebrownblob
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Well, we must’ve fixed it where I am because ain’t nobody working a sixth day unless they volunteered. I don’t think the company will go out of business.
PPH_over_9000
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So you intentionally bid a crummy route? And do that much work in eight hours and then expect us not to think you’re not running?
We’re all anonymous here and are just part of the conversation. I try to give solid advice and keep it positive myself. Many of us old guys have been through it all and respond from an experienced point of view.
As for dragon ball Z I know it’s a game but work for a living and have never played it. Just curious
I did that much work in 12-13hr days. Now instead of an 1800 and a 1200 I go out in a single 1600, with 50 less stops than the route went out with prior to winning that bid.
I'm on the 9.5 list and grieve every violation that was out of my control.
I was a 22.4 turned cover rpcd. The route went up for bid in August due to musical chairs after several drivers were terminated.
Yes, I intentionally bid on a
ty route that I've come to enjoy, because I have a firm belief that consistency is key to contentedness with this job. Doesn't matter where I go as long as I go to the same places every day.Coverage was hell for me.
Thebrownblob
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Honestly, I think you’re overstating the significance of a six day punch. We already have six day operations in package in the majority of the country. So it’s not like packages won’t get delivered. The company has the ability to shift volume from Saturday to Monday and vice versa. There’s no guarantee for ground during peak. The company also has flexibility with PVDs and seasonal drivers who can work Saturday if they cannot get volunteers. And lastly, the company will get volunteers because some people want the hours
They have more flexibility with volume and personnel now than they ever had in UPS history.. The company pretending they need to force is just lazy.
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TheBrownNote
Good thing I wore my brown pants
No. There was a vote. The company is in dishonor and a supportive position is dishonorable. These are the times when courage is needed to stand in a strong position. Its unfortunate for "thousands of teamsters" who would lose work. should they not stand together and say No? Are you weak? Do you not understand the dishonor UPS, and the Teamsters, are showing these locals?
And before you spiral, these things mater. No more can we allow dishonor amongst our ranks. Not only as teamsters, ups employees, but men and women.
After all, all we have is our word, our integrity, our honor.
