6th punch

[Trucker Clock]

If you don't eventually stop behavior like this it never changes and in fact usually gets worse. The only fix is to make them face the consequences of their actions. Don't get me wrong it's like ripping that bandaid off. It hurts. But having to continue to bail out someone who isn't even trying does way more harm in the long run.

Yes it hurts. The problem here is that it is going to hurt us more than it hurts them.

If union dosnt fold and let the force 6punch it’s their fault for customers lost

Yes it is. And those lost customers leads to lost Teamster jobs.

What you should be saying is ups does not care about the customers enough to offer a premium to get people to volunteer for 6punch and you feel like it’s our duty to save them the cost of 2x or 3x.

They don't need to offer a premium if the Union allows a forced 6th punch in areas that did not come up with a plan. And the Union will allow this with the expectation that it will be resolved after peak.

If it is not, the bandage will come off. But peak will have been a success with UPS knowing that they will have to fix this since the Union "helped" them during peak.

And now you set past practice.

One occurrence does not set past practice. Leave the contract interpretation to the big boys.

 

[Trucker Clock]

Its already been worked out.

It’s about enforcement now.

OK. Let's enforce it. Drive the shippers away and lay off thousands of Teamsters.

The needs of the many out way the needs of the few. Suck it up and this issue will be resolved after peak.

 

[10:30 resi]

OK. Let's enforce it. Drive the shippers away and lay off thousands of Teamsters.

The needs of the many out way the needs of the few. Suck it up and this issue will be resolved after peak.

If the company told you that your wages cause increased costs for shippers, driving some of them to the competition, and resulting in 'thousands of teamsters laid off', would you concede your wages to the company? What if it was 'only for 4 weeks' til the end of peak?

 

[Brown Down]

OK. Let's enforce it. Drive the shippers away and lay off thousands of Teamsters.

The needs of the many out way the needs of the few. Suck it up and this issue will be resolved after peak.

Just admit your a chicken and don't have the balls to stand up to this company. You pulled this same bs during negotiations. I for one am glad you have no part in negotiations or in hearings because you'd let the company have it's way every time. Grow a pair or shut up

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

And now you set past practice.

We all can see it now… Next Christmas comes along and they need to reevaluate

Its already been worked out.

It’s about enforcement now.

And how many of the poor younger drivers get forced to work six days a week during the pandemic?

The company agreed that people don't have to work 6 days if they don't want to it's their problem to solve it

They want me to work the 6th day my price is double time

 

[some1else]

They don't need to offer a premium if the Union allows a forced 6th punch in areas that did not come up with a plan.

That’s the point. There are options
1 the union can agree to force people to work 6punch for 1.5x months after a contract passed saying that wouldn’t happen.
2 the company can try to run a 5day operation like the first 110years of business
And you are right if they risk the second option they could loose business. But you are ignoring the third option
3. Months after the company signed a contract saying no 6 punch they could offer a premium as a compromise to get the work done if they don’t have a good plan to do so otherwise.
You have it stuck in your head that option 1 is the only feasible option. I’d rank them
#3 best (driver side)
#2 second best (straight)
#1 your baby least best (blind side)

 

[Trucker Clock]

Just admit your a chicken and don't have the balls to stand up to this company. You pulled this same bs during negotiations. I for one am glad you have no part in negotiations or in hearings because you'd let the company have it's way every time. Grow a pair or shut up

It's not about standing up to the Company. It's about the bottom 10% of employees.

People like you that would sacrifice those employees are not Teamsters. Go work for FedEx.

It's a damn good thing these lower seniority employees have people like me making the decisions, and not people like you.

Yes, we agreed to the 6th punch language. Yes, the Company didn't implement changes in certain areas. In other areas, they did. I will not sit by and lose the bottom 10% of our Teamsters because you want to make the Company pay.

The only thing I can tell you is that this will be fixed after peak. So suck it up and show you have respect for your fellow Teamsters, that you have their back. That you are willing to give up a few Saturdays this peak so that they can continue to feed their families.

But then again, you could car less.

 

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It's not about standing up to the Company. It's about the bottom 10% of employees.

People like you that would sacrifice those employees are not Teamsters. Go work for FedEx.

It's a damn good thing these lower seniority employees have people like me making the decisions, and not people like you.

Yes, we agreed to the 6th punch language. Yes, the Company didn't implement changes in certain areas. In other areas, they did. I will not sit by and lose the bottom 10% of our Teamsters because you want to make the Company pay.

The only thing I can tell you is that this will be fixed after peak. So suck it up and show you have respect for your fellow Teamsters, that you have their back. That you are willing to give up a few Saturdays this peak so that they can continue to feed their families.

But then again, you could car less.

Tell that to those who have been forced every Saturday day for 3 plus years. Thankfully I wasn't but I'm looking out for them. But what would a ball less wonder like you know. You won't fight when things go wrong. Maybe you should go to FedEx. Remember your the one who said suck it up. But yet you were groaning we might go on strike . So go back to being scared of having a set. I'm done with pusillanimous like you. Perma blocked as of now

 

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It's not about standing up to the Company. It's about the bottom 10% of employees.

People like you that would sacrifice those employees are not Teamsters. Go work for FedEx.

It's a damn good thing these lower seniority employees have people like me making the decisions, and not people like you.

Yes, we agreed to the 6th punch language. Yes, the Company didn't implement changes in certain areas. In other areas, they did. I will not sit by and lose the bottom 10% of our Teamsters because you want to make the Company pay.

The only thing I can tell you is that this will be fixed after peak. So suck it up and show you have respect for your fellow Teamsters, that you have their back. That you are willing to give up a few Saturdays this peak so that they can continue to feed their families.

But then again, you could car less.

The UPS Partners forum is that way, Mr. Company Man. ---->

 

[Trucker Clock]

Perma blocked as of now

If you can't stand the heat....

 

[Brown Down]

If you can't stand the heat....

No I just get sick of dealing with cuckservatives like you. And I don't give a if I get banned. But the truth hurts and you need to learn that life lesson.

 

[Trucker Clock]

The UPS Partners forum is that way, Mr. Company Man. ---->

So, should SOB and the rest of the National Negotiating Committee come with me?

Because, sorry to tell you, we are all in agreement. We gave them 45 days. Some worked it out, some didn't. So yes, we, the great and proud Teamster Union, has to bail them out.

You've done it for the past 3-4 years. Another month will not kill you. We will have this issue corrected after peak.

 

[Trucker Clock]

No I just get sick of dealing with cuckservatives like you. And I don't give a if I get banned. But the truth hurts and you need to learn that life lesson.

I thought you blocked me. We don't need Teamsters with your attitude. Go away, or get yourself banned.

 

[10:30 resi]

So, should SOB and the rest of the National Negotiating Committee come with me?

Because, sorry to tell you, we are all in agreement. We gave them 45 days. Some worked it out, some didn't. So yes, we, the great and proud Teamster Union, has to bail them out.

You've done it for the past 3-4 years. Another month will not kill you. We will have this issue corrected after peak.

Who is this 'we' you proclaim to be a part of?

 

[Brown Down]

I still think it's quite clear. No one shall be forced. I don't see how that can be interpreted any other way. They can absolutely up the pay to get more volunteers. Their poor planning does not constitute an emergency on those being"forced".
It's no different than those last minute shoppers. You gamble by being lazy. You either miss out or pay out the ass most times.

 

[some1else]

You've done it for the past 3-4 years. Another month will not kill you. We will have this issue corrected after peak.

if next year the company pulled the same exact thing; a contract that says no 6 days but they cry they need 6 days or we will lay off thousands of teamster would you say ok just one more peak?
Why would it be different then vs now?

 

[MyTripisCut]

This thread is ing stupid. If the company needs more delivery drivers to work Saturdays (peak and year round), they are entirely free to choose to hire and train more. No one is stopping them.

 

[542thruNthru]

This thread is ing stupid. If the company needs more delivery drivers to work Saturdays (peak and year round), they are entirely free to choose to hire and train more. No one is stopping them.

Or here is a another idea... hire seasonals. Either way the packages will get delivered wether it's Saturday or Monday. Everyone who works at UPS knows they push a ton of Monday volume to Saturday to stay ahead of the game. We were able to deliver all this volume before Saturdays we can still do it with only half the work force in a few locals not delivering on Saturday.

 

[MyTripisCut]

Or here is a another idea... hire seasonals. Either way the packages will get delivered wether it's Saturday or Monday. Everyone who works at UPS knows they push a ton of Monday volume to Saturday to stay ahead of the game. We were able to deliver all this volume before Saturdays we can still do it with only half the work force in a few locals not delivering on Saturday.

Remember when peak was 11 hour days every single day? Doesn’t seem to be much more than 7.5 around here anymore. Past few have been easy as hell. I’m definitely not worried that the company negotiators and labor departments aren’t willing to communicate with operations. As a matter of fact, I’m not buying it, they are manipulating workers, as usual.

 

[542thruNthru]

Remember when peak was 11 hour days every single day? Doesn’t seem to be much more than 7.5 around here anymore. Past few have been easy as hell. I’m definitely not worried that the company negotiators and labor departments aren’t willing to communicate with operations. As a matter of fact, I’m not buying it, they are manipulating workers, as usual.

Exactly.