8 and 5 key discipline
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some1else
Banned
lol its 930 why dont you go drive around nyc and see if you can find one of those 'hoods we where talking about
Jack4343
FT DR Specialist
We had a FT driver in our center that was taken off the road for a day because he didn't know the DOK questions. He was asked the questions during a safety ride and didn't do well on them. He was told that he had 2 days to learn them and then recite them to the center manager. He failed again and was taken off the road. He did better the next day and was back on the job. He did work a full 8 hours in the building that day. They can't fire you for it but they can take you off the road. He did have union representation in the room with him when he had to recite them so the union is aware of what happened. I don't know what the union's "official" stance is however. Of course there is more to the story. The guy doesn't make 9.5 often and gets in trouble for that alot. Just another way to get people to up their performance.
Why couldn't this be a two-way street and all the PC drivers agree and say "We don't like how things are managed around here, we're putting you (center manager) in pre-load" Don't forget your backbelt!
I have heard that we have a driver in one of the Atlanta Hubs taken off the road and put in the building because he couldn't recite all the commentary. He is in the Circle of Honor with over thirty years of safe driving. He is currently fighting this according to my business agent. We have also had my Center Manager claim in a PCM the union backs the safety bit(they don't). Our division has scored low on Keter Audits and our Division Manager has also stated in PCMs that she would put drivers back in the building over this. I think its all a bunch of BS. Its fine to teach safety, but I thinks its ridiculous to discipline drivers who actually DO WORK SAFE.
Jack4343
FT DR Specialist
Now that is a shame! Not totally unexpected but a shame nonetheless.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Because by participating in it you validate it.
UPS only wants to pretend that it is concerned with the safety of its employees so that it can pass an audit and avoid OSHA fines.
Instead of making real, meaningful improvements to its vehicles, equipment, facilities and time allowances, UPS creates a hollow "illusion" of safety thru buzzwords and acronyms.
The idea that you can blow out a 25 yr old package car with no power steering or 3 point belt, send a driver out onto a public road in that vehicle with 12 hrs of work, yell at him for failing to do it in the "allowed" 8.2 hrs, and then try to pretend that you give a rats ass about his "safety"....is both absurd and insulting. The 2nd grade-level word games only make it worse.
So youre saying repetitive motion injuries are a farce?
DS
Fenderbender
Its easy,
1)get as close to the package as you can and tell it you love it.
2)Give it a gentle squeeze,and determine its compatibility with your spine.
3)Tell it you love it again.
4)Get down on one knee and propose to it.
5)If it complies,lift it and try to give it a little shake.
6)If it is unresponsive,a threesome is required.
6b)be a cowboy, roll it like a stump.
7)if you hurt yourself,you deserve to be fired
8)If a third party is unavailable,sheet as missed.
1)get as close to the package as you can and tell it you love it.
2)Give it a gentle squeeze,and determine its compatibility with your spine.
3)Tell it you love it again.
4)Get down on one knee and propose to it.
5)If it complies,lift it and try to give it a little shake.
6)If it is unresponsive,a threesome is required.
6b)be a cowboy, roll it like a stump.
7)if you hurt yourself,you deserve to be fired
8)If a third party is unavailable,sheet as missed.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
"I heard"
"I thought"
" or somebody told me...."
Are there any documented cases of discipline....????
-BUG-
"I thought"
" or somebody told me...."
Are there any documented cases of discipline....????
-BUG-
satellitedriver
Senior Member
As a preface,
The 8/5 memorization concept, to improving safety and reducing injuries, is a total farce.
I have seen this concept evolve through the decades.
It truly is one of the finest examples of diminishing returns upon investment.
Having said that,
Just memorize them.
(Ain't that big of a deal)
It is not like UPS asks you to memorize the encyclopedia and recite it while juggling knives.
The only discipline involved is self discipline.
Regurgitate what they want to hear and the "onus" has been laid upon their shoulders.
The 8/5 memorization concept, to improving safety and reducing injuries, is a total farce.
I have seen this concept evolve through the decades.
It truly is one of the finest examples of diminishing returns upon investment.
Having said that,
Just memorize them.
(Ain't that big of a deal)
It is not like UPS asks you to memorize the encyclopedia and recite it while juggling knives.
The only discipline involved is self discipline.
Regurgitate what they want to hear and the "onus" has been laid upon their shoulders.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
I never do shoot the hay while working in the hub, but probably the outlier, most people do.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
Soberups is correct
Let me just say this (OT)
Our preload has a boxline and a slide where loaders load. When the belt underneath is running (outbounds from brownies), because either it is off balance or a mechanical issue, this shakes the entire slide area and platform -and you can actually get motion sickness! I kid you not, and this is definitly not the norm or something slight or difficult to notice.
today I had motion sickness and almost threw up because of this and was only there for maybe 20 minutes.
Is this safe? Would you want to work on a wobbly platform that felt like 3' seas?
These are the types of issues that should be addressed, not whether each and every employee can spew out a bunch of faceless acronyms that mean nothing to either party except lessened insurance expenses.
Let me just say this (OT)
Our preload has a boxline and a slide where loaders load. When the belt underneath is running (outbounds from brownies), because either it is off balance or a mechanical issue, this shakes the entire slide area and platform -and you can actually get motion sickness! I kid you not, and this is definitly not the norm or something slight or difficult to notice.
today I had motion sickness and almost threw up because of this and was only there for maybe 20 minutes.
Is this safe? Would you want to work on a wobbly platform that felt like 3' seas?
These are the types of issues that should be addressed, not whether each and every employee can spew out a bunch of faceless acronyms that mean nothing to either party except lessened insurance expenses.
satellitedriver
Senior Member
Try Meclazine,(sp) great for motion sickness.
bubsdad
"Hang in there!"
Repeat after me, "I'll do my best to learn your rhymes and riddles." The problem I have is management has these kids buffaloed into thinking they have to do all this on their own time. When I first went into the hub my supe gave me a CHSP test at the end of my day and told me to have it back to him the next day. I was incredulous. I asked several of the kids working in my area if they took these home and did them and all of them said yes. I had my training supe trying to follow me around at break and get me to fill out the safety paperwork. This is all supposed to be paid for time and they have these kids convinced that they have to do it on their own time. When you ask these kids why they are willing to do it you get "It only takes 10 minutes" or "They told me I had to". These kids are paying union dues and have no idea why. I have been doing my best to educate them, (much to management's chagrin), but it has been common practice for so long that alot of these kids don't want to upset the applecart.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
lol its 930 why dont you go drive around nyc and see if you can find one of those 'hoods we where talking about
That reminds me of the Chevy Chase movie, when he took the kids to Wallyworld, and he takes the wrong exit off the highway and ends up in the hood in St. Louis. "Excuse me, hommes?"
Solidarity413
Well-Known Member
Wow, this is great. We had our audit today,no discipline on pre-load. Although I hear 2 people got walked out on night sort for not knowing the 8/5. I'm going to find out what what went on there's got to be more to the story.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
Good suggestion; thankfully the employee working on the slide isn't affected much by it. I only work for short periods on it ( much shorter now that it's messed up)
The problem is nothing is done to address it, like every other saftey issue. You can complain, file a grievance to H&S, and nothing is done.
Like clerical fatigue mats I complained about in January. Have not seen one of those mats.
UPS doesn't care about saftey until something negative happens that affects their bonuses and or insurance rates. That's how it is..
LVD*4*LIFE
Well-Known Member
A couple weeks ago, I gave an extra workshheet of these questions to my 3 year old to fill out for me. I told her it was important UPS business. So, she took it seriously & scribbled as best she could.
The next time my sup gave me the questions to fill out, I gave him my daughters copy. It was funny. The poor kid did not know what to say except that he would review the scibbles & get back to me later. I guess that was pretty funnty also!
I realize why UPS does this. They try to wiggle their way out of any type of liabilty lawsuit.
There is no such thing as an "accident". See....he knew his safety answers so obviously we are not to blame!
The next time my sup gave me the questions to fill out, I gave him my daughters copy. It was funny. The poor kid did not know what to say except that he would review the scibbles & get back to me later. I guess that was pretty funnty also!
I realize why UPS does this. They try to wiggle their way out of any type of liabilty lawsuit.
There is no such thing as an "accident". See....he knew his safety answers so obviously we are not to blame!
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