Abortion

[trplnkl]

And your other tax dollars at work : (2008 rates)

how bout a link to the full article

 

[klein]

how bout a link to the full article

Oh, it's just people discussing the costs :

Roughly how much does a full child birth cost for someone uninsured to pay out of the pocket? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[trplnkl]

Oh, it's just people discussing the costs :

Roughly how much does a full child birth cost for someone uninsured to pay out of the pocket? - Yahoo! Answers

I see, so much factual information there.

I paid $150 and $300 for my two kids, of course that was 40 plus years ago.

Now tell me, how does our tax dollars coming to play in a natural birth?

 

[klein]

I see, so much factual information there.

I paid $150 and $300 for my two kids, of course that was 40 plus years ago.

Now tell me, how does our tax dollars coming to play in a natural birth?

You can't add up 1 + 1 ?

If a lady/girl wants an abortion, but it's denied, do you think it's because she has too much money on her hands, she is working at a great job that supplies healthcare ?
In all odds, I kind of doubt that.

She will be in most cases uninsured - and someone has to pay fopr those costs, since she can't, and will apply for welfare right after giving birth !

 

[trplnkl]

You can't add up 1 + 1 ?

If a lady/girl wants an abortion, but it's denied, do you think it's because she has too much money on her hands, she is working at a great job that supplies healthcare ?
In all odds, I kind of doubt that.

She will be in most cases uninsured - and someone has to pay fopr those costs, since she can't, and will apply for welfare right after giving birth !

And you think that will pay the outstanding hospital bill? I have news for ya, many of the women that seek abortions do have jobs, many with insurance coverage, that's part of the reason they want abortions. So having a baby doesn't interfere with her career plans, just kill the little bastard. I personally would rather help pay to save a life than to take one. If you don't that's on you not me.
A woman can get a first trimester abortion for $600 or less. If they are bound and determined to have an abortion, they can find a way to pay for it themselves.

 

[klein]

And you think that will pay the outstanding hospital bill? I have news for ya, many of the women that seek abortions do have jobs, many with insurance coverage, that's part of the reason they want abortions. So having a baby doesn't interfere with her career plans, just kill the little bastard. I personally would rather help pay to save a life than to take one. If you don't that's on you not me.
A woman can get a first trimester abortion for $600 or less. If they are bound and determined to have an abortion, they can find a way to pay for it themselves.

Ok, then maybe implement interest free abortion loans ?

 

[MrFedEx]

Ok, then maybe implement interest free abortion loans ?

I wish that Republican parents weren't so against abortion. If the abortion loans were free, maybe we'd have fewer of them (Republicans) to deal with in the future. If only Mitt and Newt's parents had made the "right" decision.

 

[moreluck]

Ok, then maybe implement interest free abortion loans ?

Then you'd have to match the opposite side.....interest free deliveries. You can't just cater to one side unless you are the ACLU.

 

[moreluck]

Rachel Maddow: Democrats Must Do More to Promote Abortion | LifeNews.com

 

[Catatonic]

I wish that Republican parents weren't so against abortion. If the abortion loans were free, maybe we'd have fewer of them (Republicans) to deal with in the future. If only Mitt and Newt's parents had made the "right" decision.

That is the inherent problem ... Democrats are the one's that want, push and have abortions.
So even though I am personally against abortions, I think it is a matter of choice for the woman.
The uneducated, the parasites of society, the non-achievers are the ones that usually have the abortions so abortions actually help keep these same type of people out of society.
The US is a better place because of Roe-Wade because it reduces the criminal element in society.

 

[bbsam]

I see, so much factual information there.

I paid $150 and $300 for my two kids, of course that was 40 plus years ago.

Now tell me, how does our tax dollars coming to play in a natural birth?

I paid $5800 for my daughter 6 years ago.

 

[klein]

I paid $5800 for my daughter 6 years ago.

Regarding trinkles response :

$150, be lucky to get a hotel with meals for the night !

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I paid $5800 for my daughter 6 years ago.

I was active duty at the time---I paid $25 for my daughter and $45 for my son---this was because we wanted a semi-private room.

 

[klein]

Lucky us, again !

ALBERTA - May 31st, 2004 12:38 PM

Hi, I'm Kim and I had my son in Edmonton last Nov. There is no cost to have your baby in an Alberta hospital. You do however have the choice to be in a semi-private or private room at an additional cost to you. Some extended plans will cover this, but you need to check with your plan. Due to complications I was kept in a private room at no extra cost.

 

[PT Stewie]

Pathetic and sad.......

An urgent message from National Right to Life President Carol Tobias:
Tormenting unborn babies in our nation's capital has to stop!​

Dear Pro-Life American:

Did you know that in our nation's capital, unborn children daily are subjected to terribly painful deaths, even during the sixth and seventh months of pregnancy, or even later? Did you know that these practices are perfectly legal -- because in the District of Columbia, abortion is now legal at any point in pregnancy, for any reason, as long as someone is willing to pay the abortionist for the gruesome "service"?

Our nation was created when the original group of sovereign states came together and formed a federated republic -- the United States of America. Article I of the Constitution established that the national seat of government would be placed forever not within any state, but in a special Federal District -- and that the Congress would "exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District."

In other words, our nation's capital city was to be governed directly by the elected representatives from throughout the nation. This means, of course, that our congressional representatives -- and ultimately we, who elect them -- are responsible for the policies that govern our nation's capital city.

So then, what would the Framers of our Constitution say if they returned today -- and learned, to their horror, that well-developed unborn babies are legally being put to death, in terrible pain, virtually within the shadow of the U.S. Capitol?

One abortion "clinic," situated not far from the Capitol Mall and the White House, openly advertises abortion on demand up to the beginning of the seventh month of pregnancy -- payable by a credit card. ("Checks and money orders are not accepted.") This abortion facility mentions the method used for its late abortions -- "dilatation and evacuation," also known as "dilation and evacuation" or "D&E." However, they do not explain that in a D&E -- shown in this medical illustration -- the abortionist grasps the little arms and legs of the well-developed unborn baby and literally tears them off, one by one, by brute manual force.

The baby is alive, of course, at the beginning of this dismemberment abortion. The baby certainly experiences excruciating pain as her limbs are twisted off with steel forceps.

Another abortionist advertises abortions "in Washington, D.C.," even in the seventh and eighth months. He describes using a different method -- employing ultrasound while thrusting a needle into the heart of the unborn child, and then injecting a lethal substance (either air, or a drug). This "service," he advises, is "not inexpensive," and that "payment can only be made by a bank electronic transfer."

In testimony in a federal lawsuit, a nationally recognized expert on fetal pain, Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, testified that in a heart-penetrating procedure, the baby would feel pain "from the point of entry of the needle into the fetal body to the point when fetal demise occurs as a result of cardiac arrest."

Technical medical jargon -- but underneath it, a terrible reality. All of this is happening today -- virtually in the shadow of the Capitol.

Who can put a stop to this? The Congress of the United States, and -- if he would -- the President.

 

[trplnkl]

I paid $5800 for my daughter 6 years ago.

I have no doubt that is true, health care cost in the USA has risen exponentially over the decades, for many reasons. Some of those reasons are normal inflation effects. The nurse that took care of your daughter the first day probably was earning around $50k a year, when my kids were born they were earning less than $5k. Add in all the other inflation effected aspects of one day stay in a hospital adds up. I understand that inflation is not the only factors involved.

A couple of years ago there was an entrepreneur putting together a group of investors to buy the small hospital where my wife works. When asked why he just didn't build a new hospital he gave several reasons but one of those reasons was that to build a 100 bed hospital the cost was a million plus per bed for construction alone. When the hospital that my wife works in was built, the cost was probably around 1/1000th of that cost.

 

[klein]

Sad, but true facts, too ! Maybe because of no insurance ?
Yup, save the unborn, and who cares afterwards, right ?

U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. While the United States spends billions on medical care, as of 2006, the U.S. ranked 28th in the world in infant mortality, more than twice that of the lowest ranked countries. (See Table 20, page 131, “Health, United States, 2010,” issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and the National Center for Health Statistics in February 2011.)

 

[trplnkl]

Lucky us, again !

ALBERTA - May 31st, 2004 12:38 PM[

Hi, I'm Kim and I had my son in Edmonton last Nov. There is no cost to have your baby in an Alberta hospital. You do however have the choice to be in a semi-private or private room at an additional cost to you. Some extended plans will cover this, but you need to check with your plan. Due to complications I was kept in a private room at no extra cost.

Sorry to break it to Kim, but she is incorrect. There is indeed a cost to her baby's delivery and her private room. She doesn't realize that her next door neighbor helped to pay for it in her stead.

 

[klein]

Sorry to break it to Kim, but she is incorrect. There is indeed a cost to her baby's delivery and her private room. She doesn't realize that her next door neighbor helped to pay for it in her stead.

OH , you know more than I do. I didn't know Kim passt away already, because otherwise she would be paying taxes until she does.

 

[trplnkl]

Sad, but true facts, too ! Maybe because of no insurance ?
Yup, save the unborn, and who cares afterwards, right ?

U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate. While the United States spends billions on medical care, as of 2006, the U.S. ranked 28th in the world in infant mortality, more than twice that of the lowest ranked countries. (See Table 20, page 131, “Health, United States, 2010,” issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and the National Center for Health Statistics in February 2011.)

It could because there is a growing number of babies being born to mothers who indulge in drug and alcohol while pregnant and others that ignore prenatal care (which is available in many places free). The lack of an individuals insurance is sometimes based on the person's choice to buy drugs instead of insurance.