dezguy
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Wait... So if a girl is raped at 15 and decides to keep the baby, it's her fault?
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And chances are you too will be pulling down a generations worth of public benefits as well. So what makes you any different from the people you're demonizing?
Who's demonizing who here? I worked my way through life, didn't depend on government programs for everything. And that's all I've ever said, use government assistance to get you back on track. Don't make a lifestyle out of it if you're able bodied.
No, but she should have at least one parent at home in most cases. Raising her child is her business, and her family's, not everyone else's.
dezguy
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But what I'm lead to believe is that one not leading a productive life is their fault and only their fault.
Unfortunately, the truth is socioeconomics and circumstances play a much bigger part in life than some are willing to admit to.
And what makes you think that the people you're condemning didn't do the same thing. Yes, there are some people who are gaming the system and that's why we have auditors to keep the gaming under control and to prosecute the violators. They're not going to get them all but they do nail quite a bunch.
Who's condemning them?
It's all you ever do on this site. You think that you're the only person who has put in a day's work and that everybody else is a slacker who has spent their entire life at the government trough. Yet are are positioning yourself to spend a generation drawing down government benefits well in excess of what you've paid in.
Hey amigo no I don't. All I've ever said is if you're able bodied you should work. And take responsibility for your own life. You constantly push this idea that government should supplement everything. Only thing is that supplementing, among other things, has us at $22 Trillion in debt and counting. When are you going to realize that servicing the debt over time is going to crowd out programs for people who really do need the help? And you need to realize also that the Dollars taken for SS 40 years ago were worth a lot more than they are now so it's not like I'm taking out a lot more than I ever put in after adjusting for inflation. And no one invests in anything expecting to take out exactly what they put in. Foolish to do so. And SS is a separate program anyways. And it's hilarious that you focus on my getting SS as somehow responsible for all it's woes. And for the millionth time I've said repeatedly that SS is the best program the Democrats have ever come up with. As I said earlier programs should help those in need, not able bodied people(other than temporary assistance until they can get another job). Guess who are people in need who can no longer work? Old people! Some like to attack them for not having prepared themselves. But the dirty little secret of capitalism is for some to do well, and others to do well enough, there has to be a massive underclass working for low wages. It's been my belief that if you pay someone barely enough to get by, and they and others are helping you get wealthy, the least you can do is contribute to their retirement through SS matching funds. A lot of business owners don't want to pay that. They're greedy. But on the other side it makes no sense you attacking anyone who is receiving SS. I have earned it.
Same old same old out of you. The Democrat sponsored and passed programs that directly benefit you are the greatest ever. The ones that don't are evil drains on the public coffer.
BTW Today the CBO stated that due to the fact that corporate tax receipts even factoring in the reduced tax rate are still coming in lower than projected and if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling the federal government will run out of money in September. And so here you are the consummate corporate apologist crying about federal debt. And so you think that there HAS to be a segment of the population working for low wages while at the same time crying the blues over the fact that X cheated you out of pay and pension. Sure, why not? Why shouldn't the person working for peanuts NOT be you?
Furthermore why are there states trying to raise the minimum wage at the state level? Simple. Scores of people out there working and busting their cans for nothing have to enroll in publicly funded welfare programs in order to survive. Yet the consercuks are crying about it's impact on so called "small business" The question therefore becomes if so called small business needs public wage subsidies in order to keep going why should they be allowed to stay in business in the first place? A clear and indisputable example of corporate welfare. As a corporate apologist why is your response ?
I'm for raising the minimum wage to $15hr. And why do you support giving government support to able bodied people? The safety net is just that, a safety net, not a lifestyle. What programs by the way do you think I'm against? Tell me something, Obama spent what was it $9 Trillion plus in 8 years? Was it al! spent on weldare? No, so where did it go? I want accountability, don't you? That's what I want right now. If they can't justify an expense it should be axed. Why are you against accountability? And if the corporate tax needs to be raised so be it. But 6 million jobs have been created. Let's raise it high enough, no more.
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Who is this poor person who had a child at fifteen? She isn't the typical poor person, and we both know it. Well, you probably don't because you can't accept reality.
We have the Congressional Budget Office , The General Accounting Office, The Office of the Comptroller General , The Office of Management and Budget along with scores of similar agencies at the state level. Is that enough accountability for you?
BTW Yes Obama (and I know how much you hate him) spent a mountain of money while finding himself from the moment he took the oath in one of the steepest deflationary spirals in history in an attempt to keep asset values from plunging all the way to zero thereby creating what would have been the deepest depression since the Great Depression and could have even been worse than that and we all know what that economic collapse created. I'm quite certain that if he was lucky like Trump and inherited an economy on the way up rather than in a free fall he would not have have spent so much time and resources trying to keep the nation and the global banking system from going below the Mendoza Line .
You avoided my questions and Trump inherited a stagnant economy. It was tax cuts and reduced regulations that brought back jobs that Obama said were never coming back.
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Yes, asking about raises over and over is killing Secretariat.
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No. You guys talking about politics over and over and over again with it almost always having nothing to do with fedex is beating a dead horse.
We were talking about corporations, taxes, benefits, minimum wage, complaining about pay, etc. Not my fault Bacha likes to get personal.
And you're the guy who has been lamenting the losses that automation has and will continue to create. So what's the difference between what Obama was saying and what you're saying? BTW. USGDP Q4 2008 that last quarter of the Bush administration ....the economy Obama inherited...... -8.4% USGDP Q4 2016 the final quarter for the Obama administration....+1.9% and there were a couple of quarters in 2014 and 2015 where quarterly annualized GDP was 3%
Stop beating Secretariat!
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