And So It Begins...

[vantexan]

Your other bill was lowered considerably thanks to government sponsored and passed healthcare laws that allowed for the creation of insurance subscriber groups and insurance pools and thanks to them you made out quite nicely even though you didn't contribute a cent to them. Oh yeah, if you were faced with a major health condition that ran up hundreds of thousands of dollars in bills and you're just getting by from week to week you'll accept financial assistance from any place you can get it and I mean any place. And that includes government sources and don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't accept it.

No, I'd send them $50 every month and tell them that's all I can do.

 

[bacha29]

No, I'd send them $50 every month and tell them that's all I can do.

And while they wait for the months and or the years for you to finally pay them back what are they to do? Tell their suppliers and medical staff that they'll get paid $50 a month? No they'll just pile it onto the room rates and service fees and stick it to insurers and those who pay the premiums.......all while you shame those who are doing the same thing.

 

[dmac1]

Ah, the magic of semantics. It was no secret that the purpose of the "tax" was to punish those who didn't go out and obtain what the government demanded that they have on the grounds of "because we said so."

That's about as ignorant as saying that people who don't get the mtg deduction and pay more in taxes are being punished for not buying a home. People who are responsible should pay less in taxes. Society benefits when more people are healthier, and insurance is how this country provides health care.

 

[dmac1]

Ah, the magic of semantics. It was no secret that the purpose of the "tax" was to punish those who didn't go out and obtain what the government demanded that they have on the grounds of "because we said so."



Oh, you poor leftist dingle dip. Insuring everyone doesn't reduce costs. It does more to increase demand, which in turn DRIVES UP THE AGGREGATE COSTS OF PROVIDING CARE because it results in more people attempting to consume services without a corresponding increase in the quantity of service providers. And over the long run, it drives up the prices that providers charge, which is reflected in the premiums that the insurance companies charge.

Not that we aren't already experiencing that to a certain degree, but there comes a point where the costs of further straining the system with higher demand are greater than the costs of those whose expenses are written off because they couldn't/wouldn't pay.



What is the deal with you progressives, always wanting to use the force of the government to ram your will down the throat of people?

Employment in the health care industry went up by nearly one million after the ACA was enacted- so besides having healthier people, more good paying jobs were created- helping reduce unemployment.

 

[vantexan]

And while they wait for the months and or the years for you to finally pay them back what are they to do? Tell their suppliers and medical staff that they'll get paid $50 a month? No they'll just pile it onto the room rates and service fees and stick it to insurers and those who pay the premiums.......all while you shame those who are doing the same thing.

I don't shame anyone. Nor am I responsible for the highly paid salaries. Long before government intervention hospitals didn't turn away people and accepted payments. Still do.

 

[bacha29]

I don't shame anyone. Nor am I responsible for the highly paid salaries. Long before government intervention hospitals didn't turn away people and accepted payments. Still do.

Well let's see here. If you're somewhere around 55 have a $100,000 hospital bill and it doesn't take much to get there and payed $50 a month you would have to live until age 211 to pay off the bill. How many healthcare providers would stay open if everybody did the same as you?

 

[vantexan]

Well let's see here. If you're somewhere around 55 have a $100,000 hospital bill and it doesn't take much to get there and payed $50 a month you would have to live until age 211 to pay off the bill. How many healthcare providers would stay open if everybody did the same as you?

They'd have to reduce their costs. When I was in the ER last year they did nothing in the 30 hrs there to justify a $33k bill. Plus another $3k for off-site lab consulting.

 

[vantexan]

Employment in the health care industry went up by nearly one million after the ACA was enacted- so besides having healthier people, more good paying jobs were created- helping reduce unemployment.

Yes, there was a well documented shortage of nurses and other healthcare workers. The economy cratered and about the only area with good paying jobs was healthcare so many entered the field. Not because of the ACA.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Your other bill was lowered considerably thanks to government sponsored and passed healthcare laws that allowed for the creation of insurance subscriber groups and insurance pools and thanks to them you made out quite nicely even though you didn't contribute a cent to them.

Why is the government responsible for paying a debt you or I created by our unhealthy lifestyle...or genes for that matter??? They have to take that money away from someone else who earned it, in order to pay our debt, and take a middleman’s portion to accomplish it.
Personally I’d rather die a fiercely independent individual than a burden on society.
Someone hand me my sword! VALHALLA!!!

 

[It will be fine]

They'd have to reduce their costs. When I was in the ER last year they did nothing in the 30 hrs there to justify a $33k bill. Plus another $3k for off-site lab consulting.

They existed for deadbeats without insurance to show up asking for help. That alone is worth the price tag.

 

[vantexan]

They existed for deadbeats without insurance to show up asking for help. That alone is worth the price tag.

This deadbeat had insurance, and I have it now. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

 

[It will be fine]

This deadbeat had insurance, and I have it now. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

I didn’t mention you, if you always assume when someone references a deadbeat they are talking about you, I can’t help you.

 

[vantexan]

I didn’t mention you, if you always assume when someone references a deadbeat they are talking about you, I can’t help you.

Surrrrrreeeeeeee you weren't.

 

[dmac1]

Why is the government responsible for paying a debt you or I created by our unhealthy lifestyle...or genes for that matter??? They have to take that money away from someone else who earned it, in order to pay our debt, and take a middleman’s portion to accomplish it.
Personally I’d rather die a fiercely independent individual than a burden on society.
Someone hand me my sword! VALHALLA!!!

That seems like you don't understand how government works. Why should the government pay for a navy to protect shipping? Why should the government pay for the FBI?????? People who are crime vitims should pay to catch criminals to recover their losses, and Those shipping goods across oceans should provide all thie own protection..

The government pays for things that a majority wants if the majority has enough votes, and the president agrees and it doesn't violate the constitution. If the government passes laws allowing it or requiring it to pay, then it should. That's why. I thought you knew more than your question indicates. Stupid people are a burden on me, always needing to spend time explaining stuff they should already know. You aren't independent now, and never will be. Until you live where no one else helps you, and after starting out naked without any tools, and manage to stay alive without using ANYTHING made or grown or raised by others, you won't ever be independent. I'd bet you don't even know how to smelt iron, or even what iron ore rich ground looks like, so you'd be back in the stone-age with your 'independence.' That you believe you are independent makes me laugh.

 

[Fred's Myth]

That seems like you don't understand how government works. Why should the government pay for a navy to protect shipping? Why should the government pay for the FBI?????? People who are crime vitims should pay to catch criminals to recover their losses, and Those shipping goods across oceans should provide all thie own protection..

The government pays for things that a majority wants if the majority has enough votes, and the president agrees and it doesn't violate the constitution. If the government passes laws allowing it or requiring it to pay, then it should. That's why. I thought you knew more than your question indicates. Stupid people are a burden on me, always needing to spend time explaining stuff they should already know. You aren't independent now, and never will be. Until you live where no one else helps you, and after starting out naked without any tools, and manage to stay alive without using ANYTHING made or grown or raised by others, you won't ever be independent. I'd bet you don't even know how to smelt iron, or even what iron ore rich ground looks like, so you'd be back in the stone-age with your 'independence.' That you believe you are independent makes me laugh.

Does the government change your diapers, or are you independent?

 

[bacha29]

Why is the government responsible for paying a debt you or I created by our unhealthy lifestyle...or genes for that matter??? They have to take that money away from someone else who earned it, in order to pay our debt, and take a middleman’s portion to accomplish it.
Personally I’d rather die a fiercely independent individual than a burden on society.
Someone hand me my sword! VALHALLA!!!

From what I gather you are a firm proponent of doctor assisted suicide. if you're in a state where it's legal who knows you might get a shot at it.

 

[bacha29]

This deadbeat had insurance, and I have it now. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

Then why wasn't your insurer billed directly?

 

[vantexan]

Then why wasn't your insurer billed directly?

It was a happy accident.

 

[Fred's Myth]

From what I gather you are a firm proponent of doctor assisted suicide. if you're in a state where it's legal who knows you might get a shot at it.

You should try it before you criticize it!

 

[bacha29]

You should try it before you criticize it!

While proudly boasting of your independence and willingness to use your sword I simply brought up the possibility of a far less painful way to off yourself. In fact there are several states that permit it within the rule of law. Then again that's the trouble with you pseudo conservatives you talk the conservative ideology and rather loudly at that because is trendy and fashionable but actually living in accordance with those ideals that's another matter indeed unless you're independently wealthy as a lot of pseudo conservatives have come to discover.