box_beeyotch
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That's crazy. They took 25 from me for 4 weeks in a row. Then the back dues.
Attitude Adjustment
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trickpony1
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Wasn't "....share the wealth....", one of Obama's campaign slogans?
BrownBrokeDown
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so your saying trickle down small government works, right??? That the breaks the big corporations and billionaires get actually make the middle classes lives better???
Man Of Brown
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What you either fail to notice or recognize is we don't have a capitalistic system anymore. There is way to much government regulation and control. If the government wasn't so involved with the private sector things would be totally different.
Sorry to continue the derailment of this thread but I had to made that point.
BrownBrokeDown
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You made a point? Really? Since 1980 government has been getting smaller in the business sector, a lot of the regulations/taxes/programs/etc that FDR implemented to get us out of the Great Depression have been scaled back or cut. How is the general public better now than in 1950s/1960s? Both parents working, in my case I have 2 jobs and my wife works and accounting for inflation I make substantially less than my grandparents did their last 20 years of working.
Trickle down works beautifully in an utopian society, but not in a society where billions are not enough.
PT Car Washer
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Before Reagan deregulated the trucking industry all fright moved on a Teamster driven truck. Teamsters had some real power back then.
BrownBrokeDown
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I've never understood how Reagan could have been such a big union supporter as an actor, and the moment he's POTUSA he starts pulling the unions' teeth.
Cowboy Mac
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If you budget your money and live within your means, you will always have enough. Stop spending more than you make. If you feel you have an income problem then get a different job. Maybe you need to lower your expectations of what it takes to live a happy life. I'm not defending socialism or trickle down or whatever. I'm just saying it's not the economy's fault you don't have enough money.
BrownBrokeDown
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unbelievable. So you automatically assume that I don't live within my means. Oh wait, yes that's right I can scale down the number of kids I have too (2 stepchildren included that I take 100% responsibility for since their Dad disappeared years ago)?
I do know how to budget, and I do know what is unnecessary, and we live. I don't have bill collectors after me, every purchase is weighed out for how it may affect us in the coming months, etc
Yes, it is my fault that I dropped out of college years ago, but all of that is not what I am talking about. Let me spell it out for you...
Wifes job is EXACTLY the same thing that my grandmother did in the 80's/90's, she makes $1 less than my grandmother started out at.
My full-time job is warehouse management, same city as my grandfathers warehouse shipper job. At the same number of years in, my grandfather made $2 more per hour than I make as management. My employees make less. This is while my company makes approximately 100x more PROFIT per year than his did.
Get another job...been looking for 2 years for something to replace current fulltime job...its not as easy as you long term drivers remember. I could go any where I wanted to in warehousing with my experience for $3-$5 less an hour starting out, and having to work for another 5-10 yrs to get back to where I am now. I started my adult working life in the 90's. If you haven't been on the job market since about 2005 you do not understand the lack of decent paying jobs.
Now to the point that will be brought up. Go driver. I hope too. The insurance and the extra $200 a week is why I started initially. If I was to have gone driver this last peak, i would have been layed off (inside work) for approximately 5 months at the start of this year. I would have went back to my $13.70 an hour for those 5 months...
Now to the last point, if this has been TLDR just read this. What a lot of FT UPSers that haven't been in the market for a job since roughly 2005 dont realize is the 2 tricks that most large corporations are using right now. 1.)percentage raises. The board approves a percentage that everyone in the company gets. My last 3 with perfect reviews and the one I have already found out I will be getting in Feb, 2%, 1.5%, 1.5%, 2.5%, about $1.35 total over 4 yrs. The percentage works great if your making $100,000+ per year, but i don't (ft job+pt ups+wife's job=$65000 last year). 2.)insurance premium and out of pocket. My FT job for a family insurance is about $165 per week out of my paycheck Dental only pays from$300 to $1500 before it caps. Health has $6000 out of pocket on it.
Both of these are typical with corporate america today. esops and profit sharing are a thing of the past. Unions jobs are losing ground every year. Dividends and Ceo pay/bonuses go up every year, and the typical job pay stays the same or lowers.
Cowboy Mac
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These are valid points, to me your first post sounded like whining. What I was saying is that if you're not happy with your life, you should get working on it or change the definition of happy.
It sounds like insurance is a big stressor for you. Why don't you stay with UPS for a year and use that insurance?
If you became a driver, you might have to suffer a few years of lower pay, but after that you could be making $80-100k a year. You wouldn't need a second job and your wife wouldn't have to work. I know it's tough, but most guys on this site have had to put the work in before they could really reap the reward.
BrownBrokeDown
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I'm at 5 yrs with UPS pt. That is what I would have to pay if I didn't have the UPS insurance.
Basically with the driving I am going to probably have to wait even if I have the oppurtunity to drive until my PT pay is higher for the layed off time, or for UPS to prove that there won't be 5 months of layoffs. I was going TCD last year and something happened. Best thing in the world because we still have TCD's that havent drove this year. I would have lost my day job, and be screwed.
BrownBrokeDown
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I do understand what you are saying as I have seen both sides of the fence. Late 90's was a much better era than today for trying to get ahead though. Its kind of sad that the 60's through about 1980 was the golden era for workers. Unless there is change we will never see that again. We are approaching 1890-1920 in the way that the business's and tycoons control this country. Take some time and go back and read on FDR or Teddy Roosevelt's fights over the common workers/families rights, wages, etc
theres never been any huge scale pure capitalist system. government has always been involved. but i agree that the system doesnt resemble capitalism, although when you show up to work, and you are told all these ridiculous things and what to do by a capitalist, that is capitalism.
things would probably be worse if government werent involved. so for example government is not involved in planning vacations in america; it is left to negotiation between the worker and employer. so guess what, workers in america takes less vacation, then in the developed countries where the government regulates vacation time.
you could also look at all the jobs that pay minimum wage. theres nothing stopping them from paying more than min wage. but if you didnt have min wage, you can bet ur ass they would be paying less.
im not saying all regulations are good or bad, its a mix of both. i think saying all reguations are bad is an absurd argument, and none of the guys i listen to agree with that statement.
and capitalism IS the problem, because workers have NO say over their supervisors or managers. a democratic economic system would have workers voting in or out managers.
but most people only demand political democracy (which was a radical idea a few hundred years ago). not economic democracy.
you nailed it.
Anthonysg0113
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For people that can't hack it a UPS there's a multitude of other jobs out there. They just don't pay as much and have no where near the same benefits. The only way I'll share in someone else's misfortune is if I choose to.
arice11
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Well shoot...I tried for a decent topic and now we're debating socialism and capitalism?
I LOVE IT!
Educational for sure. But y'all missed the point. I just spent an entire week writing down the start time I was assigned only to find out that no supervisor has made any adjustments whatsoever.
I have never had a job that cheated employees out of their hours as much as UPS does.
One day someone needs to look into that. What the hell do we have the union for anyway? is it just another reason to line bureaucrats pockets with money and keep fat lazy supervisors obese throughout the winter? Cause that's what it seems like.
Our supervisors work the sort aisle and sometimes even load cars, I'm pretty sure that's how UPS saves a little bit of money. Although a multi billion dollar company shouldn't be skimping their part-time workers just to make their numbers.
oh well...as drivers have told me in the past...WELCOME TO UPS!
I LOVE IT!
Educational for sure. But y'all missed the point. I just spent an entire week writing down the start time I was assigned only to find out that no supervisor has made any adjustments whatsoever.
I have never had a job that cheated employees out of their hours as much as UPS does.
One day someone needs to look into that. What the hell do we have the union for anyway? is it just another reason to line bureaucrats pockets with money and keep fat lazy supervisors obese throughout the winter? Cause that's what it seems like.
Our supervisors work the sort aisle and sometimes even load cars, I'm pretty sure that's how UPS saves a little bit of money. Although a multi billion dollar company shouldn't be skimping their part-time workers just to make their numbers.
oh well...as drivers have told me in the past...WELCOME TO UPS!
Cowboy Mac
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I just got my hours messed up this week too. Give em an inch and they'll take a mile...
blkmamba
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My old building let employees clock in for every shift. They would swap their employee id and it recorded the punch in time. However, most became complacent with their supervisors doing it and didn't bother to manually clock in or out. They would also cry the loudest when their numbers didn't add up. Not saying it's right but people do make mistakes.
arice11
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My boss calls me last night drunk and sloshed. He's tell me I was 7 minutes late on Friday but he failed to look at the schedule which meant I was actually 7 minutes early most the week and wasn't even paid for it. If he really wanted me in 15 minutes early he could have adjusted my start time. After all, that's a supervisors job, they know how to go into the system and square me up....but they didn't.
It's going to be a fun day explaining to him, his job. I know UPS, if it wasn't on the computer it won't be on the pay-checks, and that's why I'm there, not to make friends...or g/friend's...but that doesn't stop others in the building, lol, fools, you don't get involved with workers, don't you think I know this really well?
It's going to be a fun day explaining to him, his job. I know UPS, if it wasn't on the computer it won't be on the pay-checks, and that's why I'm there, not to make friends...or g/friend's...but that doesn't stop others in the building, lol, fools, you don't get involved with workers, don't you think I know this really well?
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