Biden Puts 8000 Union Members Out of Work

[UnionStrong]

workers goal of owning and controlling their own labour which is the traditional definition of socialism is an old american ideal one thats been pushed below the surface of peoples minds due to decades of successful propaganda

You really are ill

 

[UnionStrong]

wrong.

its no accident u dont know anything about the definition

Stick to your fantasy

 

[UnionStrong]

wrong.

its no accident u dont know anything about the definition

I know enough to know it’s garbage

 

[rickyb]

I know enough to know it’s garbage

so u think were better off taking orders and centralizing power in a boss vs workers owning and controlling their labour. interesting

 

[rickyb]

Stick to your fantasy

youve never heard of the companies who do it

 

[rickyb]

You really are ill

thank u ive got a license to ill

 

[rickyb]

capitalism with its current trajectory is on the path to self destruction next 75 years.

its set itself up for a spectacular bust this century

 

[upsgrunt]

youve never heard of the companies who do it

If you owned a company, would you want YOU working for you after all you’ve shared about how much you screw around on the job, how much time you get paid for standing around, and how much time you take off?

 

[rickyb]

If you owned a company, would you want YOU working for you after all you’ve shared about how much you screw around on the job, how much time you get paid for standing around, and how much time you take off?

yea but ur talking about symptoms of an economy their employees are not invested in.

a company where employees are equal owners would make them work harder and care more about the biz instead of doing bare minimum to keep their job.

 

[vantexan]

You already have socialism in America . You have socialized retirement ( Social Security), socialized healthcare (Medicare) socialized public education, socialized public transit. It's been around for generations and nobody seemed afraid of it until people allowed themselves to be afraid of it.

You still don't get it. Having services for the common good, like public education, public transportation, etc isn't socialism. Having control of all aspects of society by a centralized government that determines your life for you, that's socialism. Taking away the rewards of entrepreneurship, that's socialism. In a capitalist society labor can organize a union to protect its members from mistreatment. But how do you protect yourself from a government that essentially owns you?

 

[rickyb]

You still don't get it. Having services for the common good, like public education, public transportation, etc isn't socialism. Having control of all aspects of society by a centralized government that determines your life for you, that's socialism. Taking away the rewards of entrepreneurship, that's socialism. In a capitalist society labor can organize a union to protect its members from mistreatment. But how do you protect yourself from a government that essentially owns you?

i dont think those countries which both america and themselves called socialist was completely controlled by the govt either.

 

[vantexan]

yea but ur talking about symptoms of an economy their employees are not invested in.

a company where employees are equal owners would make them work harder and care more about the biz instead of doing bare minimum to keep their job.

Is that how it worked in the Soviet Union?

 

[rickyb]

Is that how it worked in the Soviet Union?

they destroyed that stuff right away. dont think it was all govt either from what i recall rick wolff saying.

 

[vantexan]

i dont think those countries which both america and themselves called socialist was completely controlled by the govt either.

Name these countries. If you're talking about Europe you're talking about capitalist countries with a better safety net than the U.S., more social programs. Which a number of them have gotten into financial hot water offering too much. In the end things have to be paid for, and countries can bankrupt themselves trying to create a workers paradise.

 

[vantexan]

they destroyed that stuff right away. dont think it was all govt either from what i recall rick wolff saying.

What are you talking about? Of course it was all government. Name the corporations operating in the Soviet Union?

 

[rickyb]

Name these countries. If you're talking about Europe you're talking about capitalist countries with a better safety net than the U.S., more social programs. Which a number of them have gotten into financial hot water offering too much. In the end things have to be paid for, and countries can bankrupt themselves trying to create a workers paradise.

im guessing america will go bankrupt before they do. germany has been doing it for 150 years now, u tell me. seems like we get into financial hot water by offering hte rich too much. and im not sure things need to be paid for, its called debt write downs and forgiveness, we gave it to germany after wwII, greece needs one nowadays as their debt is unpayable and illegitimate.

yea russia wasnt completely controlled by govt. its unlikely any economy is. they called it socialism for moral sympathies, and the west called it socialism to maintain the status quo, neither was true.

 

[rickyb]

What are you talking about? Of course it was all government. Name the corporations operating in the Soviet Union?

they destroyed the worker self directed jobs. no it wasnt all govt lol. look up richard d wolff he mentions this point.

 

[bacha29]

You still don't get it. Having services for the common good, like public education, public transportation, etc isn't socialism. Having control of all aspects of society by a centralized government that determines your life for you, that's socialism. Taking away the rewards of entrepreneurship, that's socialism. In a capitalist society labor can organize a union to protect its members from mistreatment. But how do you protect yourself from a government that essentially owns you?

You would most certainly be doing your part when you come crawling back to the states by NOT enrolling in SOCIAL programs . Once again you try to cherry pick the SOCIAL programs , you know... the ones you're positioned to benefit from ,from those you won't benefit from. You're completely free to determine your own life in a way that central government's impact on your life will be considerably lessened by simply NOT enrolling in SOCIAL programs.

Now as a conservative it was your responsibility to earn enough for yourself over the course of your lifetime so as not to be needing of anything from that evil central government that you both fear and despise If you had been in compliance with your conservative ideals today you would find yourself in need of nothing. If you have failed to do then you've failed conservativism.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

You would most certainly be doing your part when you come crawling back to the states by NOT enrolling in SOCIAL programs .

You don't enroll in Medicare or social security, they take it right from your paycheck.

Do you really not understand that simple fact?

 

[Fred's Myth]

You still don't get it. Having services for the common good, like public education, public transportation, etc isn't socialism. Having control of all aspects of society by a centralized government that determines your life for you, that's socialism. Taking away the rewards of entrepreneurship, that's socialism. In a capitalist society labor can organize a union to protect its members from mistreatment. But how do you protect yourself from a government that essentially owns you?

You’re preaching to the clueless.