Biden Puts 8000 Union Members Out of Work

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Sportello

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Reluctant Democrats Holding Off On Revealing Biden Died Of Heart Attack 6 Days Ago​


1/12/21 8:05AM






WASHINGTON—Expressing concerns that the country’s emotional state might be incapable of handling the news right now, reluctant Democrats in Washington confirmed Tuesday that they are holding off on revealing that President-Elect Joe Biden died from a heart attack six days ago. “It’s obviously very sad, but it just felt like it would be super awkward to throw this out there while everyone is already so on edge,” said Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, who admitted that while the death of the recently elected Biden creates serious problems around keeping the country functioning and tackling the Covid-19 crisis, he did not want to kick the American people while they were already down. “I know we should have announced it immediately, but we hesitated, and pretty soon the Capitol was being stormed, and things have been super crazy ever since. Hopefully, we can make it to the inauguration before people start asking questions. We just have a lot on our plate right now, and honestly, this is the last thing we want to deal with.” At press time, Schumer was ruminating on whether he should at least tell Biden’s family.
 

refineryworker05

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You're a revisionist. Gas was above $3 a gallon, way above for most of Obama's tenure. The economy was stagnant at best.
more expensive gasoline is fantastic for this industry. Like I said when Obama was president we made tons of money. I forgot that that gasoline was more expensive for a lot of his presidency. As far as stagnant economy, compare the how the economy performed under president Obama to either bush or trump.
 
more expensive gasoline is fantastic for this industry. Like I said when Obama was president we made tons of money. I forgot that that gasoline was more expensive for a lot of his presidency. As far as stagnant economy, compare the how the economy performed under president Obama to either bush or trump.
That also drives up the goods and services of many other products that we need.
Everything has a balance
 
Cheap foreign oil hurts US producers and workers. Putting 10s of thousands of permanent US employees out of work at the price of a few thousand temporary construction jobs.
And our current administration is going to limit what we can do in this country as far as drillin is giving away our money to other foreign countries
Like I said we need to find a right balance
 

refineryworker05

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Excellent point. Nobody knows better than you just how dirty and expensive to clean up Canadian tar sand oil is. As a refinery worker it's my hope that you will be able to make it to retirement before the transition to renewables and AV's is complete.
It's like coal fired power plants. When a license expires it's not often renewed. The reason is simple. They're simply too damn expensive to operate. In a few years we've gone from 540 coal plants down to the low 200's and they'll be gone in a few years. They and their 300 man workforce needed to run them are being replaced with gas units that are quick and easy to setup and run and employ only a couple of dozen people at the most. In the neighboring county a company is preparing to setup a dual gas turbine power plant in an long abandoned railroad locomotive shop and employ 20. And in my county there are 3 permits pending for 3 new power plants...all 3 are solar.

As more states deregulate their their electric utility industries and rates the old coal and nukes will continue to go away.
Yeah I mean the writing is on the wall for this industry. GM just announced that all their cars will be zero emission in 14 years, stuff like that portends the serious decline of this industry. I’ll just be in my early 60’s by 2035. Plus I gotta wonder what happens to my pension if this industry goes belly up after I retire. I may switch careers, and I have applied to various jobs and even got two job offers,, but the pay for both jobs was like $35 an hour which would be a huge pay cut for me. Plus I got a lot of vacation weeks, decent healthcare, etc. Although due to the refinery pay cut a lot people are retiring Because their pensions are in part based on their last 3 years of earnings. So despite the down economy, where I work is hiring and promoting people for now.

These refineries don’t employ that many workers already. I think it’s like 35,000 full time refinery Oil workers in the USW Union. That’s not the employment of the whole oil and gas industry which is probably in the millions, but just the number of petroleum refinery oil workers. The only value we have to the nation is that as long as gasoline remains the dominate way we fuel vehicles, then the US doesn’t want to depend on other nation’s producing the fuel we need, but as the need for gasoline and diesel and jet fuel drops, that national value decreases as well. So the remaining refineries will either convert to supply other products or they’ll die. Pretending that an incompetent, corrupt Republican potus can stop these trends is just living in a delusional fantasy world.
 

Indecisi0n

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Yeah I mean the writing is on the wall for this industry. GM just announced that all their cars will be zero emission in 14 years, stuff like that portends the serious decline of this industry. I’ll just be in my early 60’s by 2035. Plus I gotta wonder what happens to my pension if this industry goes belly up after I retire. I may switch careers, and I have applied to various jobs and even got two job offers,, but the pay for both jobs was like $35 an hour which would be a huge pay cut for me. Plus I got a lot of vacation weeks, decent healthcare, etc. Although due to the refinery pay cut a lot people are retiring Because their pensions are in part based on their last 3 years of earnings. So despite the down economy, where I work is hiring and promoting people for now.

These refineries don’t employ that many workers already. I think it’s like 35,000 full time refinery Oil workers in the USW Union. That’s not the employment of the whole oil and gas industry which is probably in the millions, but just the number of petroleum refinery oil workers. The only value we have to the nation is that as long as gasoline remains the dominate way we fuel vehicles, then the US doesn’t want to depend on other nation’s producing the fuel we need, but as the need for gasoline and diesel and jet fuel drops, that national value decreases as well. So the remaining refineries will either convert to supply other products or they’ll die. Pretending that an incompetent, corrupt Republican potus can stop these trends is just living in a delusional fantasy world.
They had electric cars in the 60’s. So the technology has been out for 61 years and we still don’t see electric cars everywhere. You have to ask yourself why? I have a feeling even in my lifetime I will not see electric cars as the mainstream.
 

refineryworker05

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They had electric cars in the 60’s. So the technology has been out for 61 years and we still don’t see electric cars everywhere. You have to ask yourself why? I have a feeling even in my lifetime I will not see electric cars as the mainstream.
I have not looked any of this stuff up, but I think governments were actively opposing alternative fueled vehicles and continued to heavily subsidize the petroleum industry over those alternatives. So maybe there wasn’t the incentive to push for electric cars. Now governments are helping those alternative industries, plus probably battery technology has improved, the range on the electric cars have probably improved, maybe the design and look of electric cars have improved, and maybe the way you charge them and the access to charging has improved. I cannot predict the future, maybe people don’t convert to electric cars, I don’t know. But it seems to me that they are gaining in popularity rapidly.
 
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