Biden signs executive order mandating vaccination.

[DriveInDriveOut]

Uh, no.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was granted full approval by the FDA.

Uh no, booster shots are administered under an emergency use approval.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Uh no, booster shots are administered under an emergency use approval.

Which the FDA's own panel voted against. What more do these people need to know before they will admit the people they have trusted do not care if they die?

 

[brownman2075]

UPS Union wants all anti-vaxxers to quit. This will create a labor shortage. Then then UPS comes to the table to negotiate with the Union they can say "if the job paid more we could fill them" and the union leaders will pat themselves on the back for being a great union while anyone who believes in medical freedom is out of work. It is why you have not heard a peep from the union about fighting back on Biden's vaccine mandate. Have you noticed a ridiculous amount of hire lately? It is because UPS knows this is true and is hiring way more than the usual seasonal workers to combat the union in negotiations. Don't believe me? Just call your union leaders and ask what steps they have taken to fight back. I did. I was told "if they quit, they quit."

I don’t think UPS has any desire to push this unless their hand is forced. UPS has said this themselves in so many words. OSHA certainly is dragging their feet. Hmmmm… I wonder why. Possibly because they can’t lawfully do it and there are attorneys and governors ready to sue only to put the unconstitutional edict on stay pending a court judgement? UPS just needs bodies to fill the positions. They’d rather have experience than higher paid seasonal drivers to drive up their accident record. In my hub, I have not seen an unusual amount of seasonal drivers hired yet and they still can’t find ample part-time help to load and unload trucks. In all fairness, my route is already seeing peak season volume and splits are already being created to compensate for the added volume. Routes that ordinarily get cut on Mondays are now running every Monday, I volunteer to work on Saturdays and same thing, Saturday volume is picking up. Yes there are seasonal drivers standing around on standby when I drive out of the building, but no different than last year as of right now. There is no reason for anyone to quit and lose their job. The solution is simple. Under a Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, file for a religious exemption. Keep it strictly religious. No science. No conspiracy stuff. I don’t think UPS will give too much fight on it. Don’t start comparing our situation to United Airlines. United Airlines is in a heap of financial trouble, UPS is not, and IMHO UA was looking for an excuse to dump employees without having to dish out unemployment by using mandates as an excuse over layoffs, Just look at their stock now compared to before the scamdemic and their situation is getting worse.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

i have a problem with power centralization and capitalism falls under that category, democracy is not supposed to but it happens.

i think power abuse and power corrupts could be related to what you said.

Power concentration and abuse are not, at root, an economic issue. Economics is a tool used by people who seek power, and they will figure out how to do so regardless of the economic system. Allowing concentration of power is a values issue. In order to keep power decentralized, everyone within a political grouping needs to have the shared values of independence and liberty, and the understanding of how power seekers work and agree to nip their activities in the bud before tyranny can blossom.

 

[fedx]

I don’t think UPS has any desire to push this unless their hand is forced. UPS has said this themselves in so many words. OSHA certainly is dragging their feet. Hmmmm… I wonder why. Possibly because they can’t lawfully do it and there are attorneys and governors ready to sue only to put the unconstitutional edict on stay pending a court judgement? UPS just needs bodies to fill the positions. They’d rather have experience than higher paid seasonal drivers to drive up their accident record. In my hub, I have not seen an unusual amount of seasonal drivers hired yet and they still can’t find ample part-time help to load and unload trucks. In all fairness, my route is already seeing peak season volume and splits are already being created to compensate for the added volume. Routes that ordinarily get cut on Mondays are now running every Monday, I volunteer to work on Saturdays and same thing, Saturday volume is picking up. Yes there are seasonal drivers standing around on standby when I drive out of the building, but no different than last year as of right now. There is no reason for anyone to quit and lose their job. The solution is simple. Under a Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, file for a religious exemption. Keep it strictly religious. No science. No conspiracy stuff. I don’t think UPS will give too much fight on it. Don’t start comparing our situation to United Airlines. United Airlines is in a heap of financial trouble, UPS is not, and IMHO UA was looking for an excuse to dump employees without having to dish out unemployment by using mandates as an excuse over layoffs, Just look at their stock now compared to before the scamdemic and their situation is getting worse.

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If UAL lays off employees because of the mandate, they still have to pay unemployment.

 

[brownman2075]

If UAL lays off employees because of the mandate, they still have to pay unemployment.

What I’m saying is that these people at UA who refused the shot weren’t layoffs, they were deemed disobedient to their employer as a front to the public and fired as illegal as that may be. Will they be able to collect unemployment? I don’t know. They may have a tougher time as compared to someone who was publicly deemed a layoff, which means by no fault of their own.

 

[rickyb]

Power concentration and abuse are not, at root, an economic issue. Economics is a tool used by people who seek power, and they will figure out how to do so regardless of the economic system. Allowing concentration of power is a values issue. In order to keep power decentralized, everyone within a political grouping needs to have the shared values of independence and liberty, and the understanding of how power seekers work and agree to nip their activities in the bud before tyranny can blossom.

well you have power concentration and abuse in slavery, feudalism, capitalism, govt economic systems like so called "socialism" etc.

im assuming thats why we got rid of slavery because that kind of power relationship is unacceptable to many.

yea you might be right about independence and liberty and ppl need to fight for it.

i suppose we could look at the outcomes of different economic systems and choose the one we like the best. most ppl arent looking.

 

[rickyb]

Power concentration and abuse are not, at root, an economic issue. Economics is a tool used by people who seek power, and they will figure out how to do so regardless of the economic system. Allowing concentration of power is a values issue. In order to keep power decentralized, everyone within a political grouping needs to have the shared values of independence and liberty, and the understanding of how power seekers work and agree to nip their activities in the bud before tyranny can blossom.

the power balance in slavery vs capitalism is a big difference. these economic systems are not all the same. capitalism still gives way too much power to the bosses and i think the wealth inequality symptomatic of that. unions gives more power to the workers but ive never done a union job which was reasonable; there was still too much power to the bosses.

 

[BigGuy2732]

the power balance in slavery vs capitalism is a big difference. these economic systems are not all the same. capitalism still gives way too much power to the bosses and i think the wealth inequality symptomatic of that. unions gives more power to the workers but ive never done a union job which was reasonable; there was still too much power to the bosses.

as does communism, usually the same group that has agitated for it worldwide ends up becoming in power. this is what prompted anarchists to be a thing, they get that communism happens and then certain people end up having all the power, and the rest none. always. it has never been anything different.

this is why monarchism and subsidiarity and catholic social teaching had smaller government than what we have now.

 

[BigGuy2732]

the root problem is individualism. society before the "enlightenment" was about the common good. if it did not work for one, it could not work for all. the enlightenment ruined western civilization forever with its contrary to nature ideas. we are reaping them now.

 

[Non sequitur]

The most beautiful expression of individual freedom is the love of God. The love of neighbor flows from this.

 

[rickyb]

as does communism, usually the same group that has agitated for it worldwide ends up becoming in power. this is what prompted anarchists to be a thing, they get that communism happens and then certain people end up having all the power, and the rest none. always. it has never been anything different.

this is why monarchism and subsidiarity and catholic social teaching had smaller government than what we have now.

yep thats what anarchists get right.

chomsky describes what happened in russia as a counter revolution as they destroyed the worker councils immediately. i think they referred to their system as state capitalism.

the terms communism, capitalism, socialism, etc kinda obfiscate the central issue which is power.

 

[BigGuy2732]

yep thats what anarchists get right.

chomsky describes what happened in russia as a counter revolution as they destroyed the worker councils immediately. i think they referred to their system as state capitalism.

the terms communism, capitalism, socialism, etc kinda obfiscate the central issue which is power.

that's just how leftism will always work. they will keep holiness spiraling until everyone is dead, or a Stalin shows up and just stops the spiraling by killing everybody who wants to continue the spiral.

out-holying everybody is just how it works when you don't have objective truth. Society cannot function properly if it doesn't understand the fundamental things to be true. (God's morality is unchanging, cannot be changed, therefore allows society stable ground)

 

[BigUnionGuy]

The most beautiful expression of individual freedom is the love of God. The love of neighbor flows from this.

Totally agree.

As long as they aren't trying to steal your stuff....

 

[BigGuy2732]

St Augustine says freedom comes with responsibility, and that responsibility is giving due and proper worship to God. It's the greatest expression of freedom, giving God right worship and choosing good instead of evil.

 

[rickyb]

that's just how leftism will always work. they will keep holiness spiraling until everyone is dead, or a Stalin shows up and just stops the spiraling by killing everybody who wants to continue the spiral.

out-holying everybody is just how it works when you don't have objective truth. Society cannot function properly if it doesn't understand the fundamental things to be true. (God's morality is unchanging, cannot be changed, therefore allows society stable ground)

Theres some successful worker managed and owned jobs which arent capitalist

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Theres some successful worker managed and owned jobs which arent capitalist

Are you talking about charities that are run by volunteers?

 

[BigGuy2732]

Theres some successful worker managed and owned jobs which arent capitalist

i support those, i'm saying on a state level when it comes to ruling people and wielding power. anarchism can't work. you need a state, and it's best if the people running this state are kept in check by aristocratic families. this is how it worked when our societies were honoring God at their highest.

 

[DiadesSuk]

UPS Union wants all anti-vaxxers to quit. This will create a labor shortage. Then then UPS comes to the table to negotiate with the Union they can say "if the job paid more we could fill them" and the union leaders will pat themselves on the back for being a great union while anyone who believes in medical freedom is out of work. It is why you have not heard a peep from the union about fighting back on Biden's vaccine mandate. Have you noticed a ridiculous amount of hire lately? It is because UPS knows this is true and is hiring way more than the usual seasonal workers to combat the union in negotiations. Don't believe me? Just call your union leaders and ask what steps they have taken to fight back. I did. I was told "if they quit, they quit."

if you do a search on my name and look at my posts, i was saying this months ago.. lol

 

[zubenelgenubi]

the root problem is individualism. society before the "enlightenment" was about the common good. if it did not work for one, it could not work for all.

How is that not individualism? The individual is prior to society. Individuals exist without society, society cannot without individuals. Individuals always putting themselves before others is a problem that predates the enlightenment, it predates Christ. The enlightenment put the responsibility for their actions back on the individual and clarified that you alone are accountable to God for your actions. Liberty and responsibility are two sides of the same coin.

the enlightenment ruined western civilization forever with its contrary to nature ideas. we are reaping them now.

Disagree. Forgetting God has destroyed western civilization, as it did to Eastern Europe and Russia during their communist revolt.