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rickyb

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Russia invaded Crimea in 2014. Ethnic Russians were rebelling in the Donbas before that. The Orange Revolution that removed the Russian puppet happened in 2004. And then the next puppet lost the election to Zelenskyy in 2014.
ukraine was very foolish to try and join nato the way cuba tried to join russia.

its very provocative.
 

rickyb

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Were we trying to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine? There are NATO members right up by Russia. We don't need Ukraine to get close to Russia.
russia has been invaded through urkaine in the past

yea it was nukes

and youre quite right theres nato members by russia that werent supposed to be there. take all the nato countries added after the soviet union collapsed and you will see all the countries that werent supposed to be part of nato.
 
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vantexan

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russia has been invaded through urkaine in the past

yea it was nukes

and youre quite right theres nato members by russia that werent supposed to be there. take all the nato countries added after the soviet union collapsed and you will see all the countries that werent supposed to be part of nato.
But the fact remains NATO doesn't need Ukraine to get close to Russia. And where were nukes being put in the countries next to Russia?
 

rickyb

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But the fact remains NATO doesn't need Ukraine to get close to Russia. And where were nukes being put in the countries next to Russia?
ukraine for one

think lawrence wilkerson mentioned it

i think ukraine was too strategically important for russia to let it join unlike the other countries who joined which werent supposed to.
 

vantexan

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ukraine for one

think lawrence wilkerson mentioned it

i think ukraine was too strategically important for russia to let it join unlike the other countries who joined which werent supposed to.
When were nukes put in Ukraine? Come on, you said it, prove it. Ukraine gave up the nukes they had after the breakup of the Soviet Union.
 

rickyb

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So no nukes then? You do realize we have ICBM's that can be launched from the U.S.? Stop making up stuff to push a certain narrative.
i dont and ukraine got illegally invaded because they wanted to join nato

if you want to be an honest christian you have to answer some of your own questions
 

vantexan

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i dont and ukraine got illegally invaded because they wanted to join nato

if you want to be an honest christian you have to answer some of your own questions
Ukraine wanting to join and Ukraine joining are two very different things. Ukraine was in no position to join and wasn't even on a timeline to join. Putin coveted Ukraine and used any pretense as an excuse to invade. So let's stop talking about it was Ukraine's or NATO's fault. This entire mess was Putin's doing. No one held a gun to his head.
 

rickyb

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Ukraine wanting to join and Ukraine joining are two very different things. Ukraine was in no position to join and wasn't even on a timeline to join. Putin coveted Ukraine and used any pretense as an excuse to invade. So let's stop talking about it was Ukraine's or NATO's fault. This entire mess was Putin's doing. No one held a gun to his head.
definitely because of nato

the invasion was illegal just like invasion of iraq.
 

Doublestandards

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At least she’s consistent, she was kicked off Daily Wire for her views on Israel

I still think it’s important we support Ukraine, or at the very least get a ceasefire with very clear and strict guidelines on what happens if Putin invades again

You can only ignore issues like this for so long before it eventually ends up where you’re forced to confront it, and at that point it may be much harder to deal with rather than dealing with it earlier
 
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