i agree with you some countries treat their women even worse than we do. lets not toot our own horn. i can easily show you some nwa or donald trump quotes on women lol.
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it says the rules encourage it. which muslim countries require it?
so anyways youre in favor of schools forcing dress codes at school but not forcing hijabs at school?
There are men everywhere who say and do improper things towards women. I'm talking about a religion that subjugated women to being under direct control of men. Women can't leave home unless covered head to toe and accompanied by a male relative. Not allowed to drive. Not allowed to go to school. Can only hold menial jobs if allowed to work. Not all Muslim countries are super strict but if you compare them with the West even the more open societies still put restraints on women that wouldn't be acceptable in the West. Do you have sex with your Muslim girlfriend? That would get her killed in many Muslim countries. Not a matter of if. You keep wanting to say yeah, the West is bad too but sounds to me you aren't aware if the reality of life for women in many Muslim countries.
It's a required covering for Muslim girls in public. But those particular girls live in England. So while required inside their private Muslim school the teacher can only encourage them to wear it outside of school. At least he is seeing that they get an education. In strict Muslim countries girls either don't receive an education or they are limited to basics. You won't find women in positions of authority over men in those countries. But in England they'd be at a severe disadvantage if not given a good education because of the cost of living and the much more advanced economy.
our tenant is from iran. she speaks little english. this is not how iran is. women go to work. theyre forced to wear a hijab, and they cant ride a motorcycle for example. they can drive. this is all without male relative. but some still ride a bike.
can you list off other muslim countries that are like this?
i agree its bad, but we are bad too, not as bad but still bad.
our tenant in iran is a psychologist and her friends have masters...
which muslim countries require it?
i agree in iran its even worse than here.
As I said it varies from country to country. Be aware that just like Christianity there are major schisms in Islam. For example Iran is mostly Shiite while Saudi Arabia is almost entirely Sunni. And they are enemies. The United Arab Emirates are considered more open than some other Arab countries but they are strict on what women can and can't do.
A young woman in the West can pursue a university degree, obtain a well paying job, rise to a level of authority within a company or the government. She can buy her own home, buy and drive a car, choose to remain unmarried, have sex outside of marriage if she chooses. Not talking about the rightness or wrongness of her lifestyle, just that in the West she is free to live as she chooses within the bounds of the law. A Muslim woman might be able to do some of that in some Muslim countries, none of that in other Muslim countries. But overall unless she moves to the West and leaves her traditional family behind she will never have the freedom a Western woman takes for granted.
our iranian tenant was a psychologist in iran and something else.
yes we are better but we still suck.
what about turkey? they got a muslim symbol on the flag there. do women have to wear a hijab in turkey?
she says women can rise to positions of economic power in iran.
if theyre married their husband can restrict them.
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Turkey is a secular society but also has plenty of strict adherents to Islam. I'm betting your Iranian tenant has a lot more opportunity and freedom in Canada.
so youre saying in turkey they dont have to wear a hijab despite having muslim symbol on the flag?
you dodged the question about forced dressed codes. you said youre in favor of a forced dress code but not a forced hijab? i dont get the difference. fashion on your head doesnt have to mean its religious.
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Many Turkish women don't but strict adherents do. Just not enforced by their government. You'll see Western women in bikinis on Turkish beaches. I'll assume some are Turkish women too.
youre right because ive been there.
you dodged the question about forced dressed codes in school. you said youre in favor of a forced dress code but not a forced hijab? i dont get the difference. fashion on your head doesnt have to mean its religious.
Private schools set their own dress requirements. If a parent wants their child to attend a particular school then the child must adhere to the dress code. It's not a matter of me wanting to enforce anything. But make no mistake, hijabs are a required covering for females by Muslim conservatives. But Muslims don't completely control England(yet) so the school master can only encourage them to wear hijabs outside of school. And in mostly Muslim neighborhoods in England there are Muslim clerics trying to.enforce Sharia law.
so you support this guys private schools doing whatever they want at school
theres nothing saying they were forced to wear hijabs outside of school. just encouraged. i think you made a leap to say he wants women to be forced to wear hijabs outside of school in teh future. article doesnt say that.
freedom of speech is it not?
it is a hate crime? i dont think so.
i encourage religions to do things all the time. they should be open to feedback.
i encourage women to do what they want, hijab or not, its up to you. not up to govt, or your employer.
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You are stretching what I said. You need to put 2+2 together. If he requires the hijab to be worn at school it's to satisfy religious tenets. All part and parcel of subjugation of women in Islam. The hijab isn't a decorative scarf. He can't legally require them to wear it out of school in England but rest assured if he was in a conservative Muslim nation he would enforce wearing it everywhere outside the home.
Then again you probably support men claiming to be women so that they can compete against women athletes and walk around naked in women's locker rooms. So what do you care if women are subjugated by Islam?
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