newfie
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weak argument. the reason its not as you say is because european countries have not shut down foreign travel to them.
if all countries did so then your argument would be correct
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weak argument. the reason its not as you say is because european countries have not shut down foreign travel to them.
if all countries did so then your argument would be correct
Now at 62 from almost nothing a few weeks ago. The 3000+ known cases indicate many thousands more that haven't blown up yet. It's the long incubation period while still contagious that makes this difficult to stop.
Something to keep in mind. A Chinese university determined there are two strains now of coronavirus. The original strain was much more aggressive while the new strain from a mutation is much milder. A few weeks back 82% of known cases were mild. As this spreads this number has grown to 93% of all cases are mild. So the severity seems to be a matter of which strain you catch. Eventually as all viruses do it will run it's course.
That's my point. In areas where testing is limited (like the US currently) the only known cases are the ones with severe symptoms who have tested positive and basing fatality rates strictly off that makes it sound worse than it actually is. In areas like SK where people with milder/no symptoms are being included the fatality rates are way down.
Not really. 62 cases out of 3100+ in the U.S. isn't very much. It's the contagious nature of it spreading eventually to most of the population that will result in a high number of deaths. And disproportionately among the elderly.
clipperman
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South Korea allowed a private firm to develop testing kits before there was even a case reported in the country speeding their ability to assess the spread,why didn’t private firms here do the same thing? Or private firms in Europe?
It will be fine
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You tell me why that didn’t happen here in our glorious free market system?
Because Asia cultures by their very nature are more concerned about the community instead of the individual. Even if they practice capitalism.
newfie
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That was one of the reasons you saw the presser friday with all the top corporate leaders there. Our future response plan will now include private industry where it never did in the past.
newfie
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they were following the Obama plan
You're making my point. We don't have wide spread testing, therefore we don't have the real fatality rates.
Probably because they're still technically at war with North Korea and are ready for a lot. Sat down and thought about all the ways North Korea might try to get at them and planned accordingly.
newfie
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or so you hope for political reasons .
The ones that aren't known are either going to be mild or blow up into something serious. We do know worldwide right now 7% are serious and there's about a 3.4% mortality rate overall. The testing doesn't reduce the severity of the bad cases. It does catch cases early which allows treatment as well as quarantine that greatly reduces the mortality rate as well as the spread. But we are past or are very near being past catching enough cases early. They didn't do what South Korea did in Italy and now they are in lock down to try to stop it.
clipperman
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Becoming clearer now
The terrorist group has advised supporters to stay away from "the land of the epidemic", and instead has offered tips for them to follow like washing their hands frequently and "cover the mouth when yawning and sneezing".
Coronavirus: ISIS tells its members to stay clear of 'infected lands'
Coronavirus: ISIS tells its members to stay clear of 'infected lands'
Babagounj
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Hoboken has become the first city in the US to implement a widespread curfew due to coronavirus fears, and will limit restaurants to takeout and delivery
- Hoboken, New Jersey, will implement a 10 p.m. curfew and restrict restaurants to takeout and delivery only amid the coronavirus pandemic.
- Starting March 14, residents must remain in their homes unless there's an emergency or they're required to work at night, according to Mayor Ravinder Bhalla.
- Hoboken officials later clarified that dog-walking would also be allowed, and that the goal of the curfew was instead to prevent activities like house parties.
- Bhalla also announced severe restrictions on restaurants and bars, with none being allowed to serve food within their premises.
- Bhalla said in his statement that one incident that highlighted the need for the measures occurred Saturday evening, when police responded to a bar fight in downtown Hoboken.
At least one person required emergency services, but police had to wait more than 30 minutes "because our EMS is inundated with service calls," Bhalla said. - Earlier on Saturday, Bhalla announced that all gyms, health clubs, day cares, and movie theaters would also be shuttered.
A 3.4% mortality for serious cases is not the same as the mortality rate for all cases, which is a lot lower. It's disingenuous to compare that number to the total mortality rates for influenza which is what a lot of folks are doing.
I misspoke and changed that. It's 3.4% of all cases and looking at the severe cases alone it's higher. Very dangerous over 70 or with cardiovascular, diabetes, or respiratory issues. Over 80 up to 20% die.
