Coronavirus

newfie

Well-Known Member
The virus overwhelms the hospitals. There aren’t enough hospital beds or ventilators or doctors and nurses to handle the massive increase in demand. What part of our system do you think will make the outcomes better?

where? the only thing getting overloaded is hospital emergency rooms as people driven by the excess liberal hysteria going in for testing. There are a lot more flu and colds getting tested
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
I don’t know ours will be or won’t be better,no one does yet,my question was why is the universal health care model failing as bad as it is,they had every bit of warning to prepare for this,I’m on the fence with universal health care but what I’m seeing now so far in the face of an outbreak isn’t winning me over,my observation is that it’s communism 1,unversal health care a big fat 0
Are you taking only Italy as your example? South Korea’s universal care and competent government management contained their outbreak very well. Government run drive up testing did a great job. There is no evidence our garbage system will have better results.
 

It will be fine

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where? the only thing getting overloaded is hospital emergency rooms as people driven by the excess liberal hysteria going in for testing. There are a lot more flu and colds getting tested
I was talking about the failures in Italy. They are having to triage patients letting people over 80 die to save younger patients.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
The last flu pandemic was in 2009.
Right, which wasn't handled well and nowhere near this big. But more to my point we don't call flu season a pandemic unless a virulent strain like H1N1 comes along. This is a global pandemic which is much more serious than just washing hands. You've put this whole notion down from the start and have put little smiley faces all over my posts. I'm in a country right now that has locked everything down since Friday morning. They are allowing an 8 hour window starting at midnight tonight to allow car travel for those who got stuck somewhere over the weekend. Borders are closed so my Airbnb host is driving me to the airport. Was supposed to catch a bus Friday morning but now am spending several hundred dollars extra to get out of dodge. But they are taking it very seriously with Italy next door. Possibly impacting the U.S. in a similar manner soon.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
Czar Trump has been fudging the numbers of both infected and dead. It’s an election year.


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Box Ox

Well-Known Member
looks like trump was correct in shutting down traffic from europe

Europe now 'the epicenter of the pandemic,' WHO says

Hopefully more reasonable Europeans will tell the politically correct screamers to shove their open borders up their anuses until this is over.

From NBC just over a week ago:

How the coronavirus is challenging Europe's ideal of open borders

“The Trump administration has imposed travel restrictions on China, where the virus is believed to have originated, as well as Iran, South Korea and parts of Italy.

The E.U. has been far more reluctant to take such measures, vowing to uphold its Schengen Area — the 26 countries that allow travel without a passport — as well as the single market that affords the free movement of people, goods, services and money between member states.

"I welcome ... keeping the borders open and not resorting to what could at this point in time be considered disproportionate and inefficient measures," Stella Kyriakides, the European commissioner for health and food safety, said in a speech last month.”
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
The flu's death rate is a fraction of this. No one calls the flu season a pandemic. At some point when there are tens of millions of cases you may realize the exponential rate of spread occurring and why this is so concerning to health experts. And we live in a country with an extensive health infrastructure. Hasn't really blown up in India and Africa yet but the potential is there to see hundreds of millions of deaths.
These numbers are being artificially inflated by the fact that in a lot of areas testing is only being done on those who present with severe symptoms and folks with milder to no symptoms are not being represented. In places like South Korea where widespread resting is being conducted the fatality rate is about .7% vs .1% for the flu. That's still significantly higher, but nowhere near as bad as the fear mongers would have you believe.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
Hopefully more reasonable Europeans will tell the politically correct screamers to shove their open borders up their anuses until this is over.

From NBC just over a week ago:

How the coronavirus is challenging Europe's ideal of open borders

“The Trump administration has imposed travel restrictions on China, where the virus is believed to have originated, as well as Iran, South Korea and parts of Italy.

The E.U. has been far more reluctant to take such measures, vowing to uphold its Schengen Area — the 26 countries that allow travel without a passport — as well as the single market that affords the free movement of people, goods, services and money between member states.

"I welcome ... keeping the borders open and not resorting to what could at this point in time be considered disproportionate and inefficient measures," Stella Kyriakides, the European commissioner for health and food safety, said in a speech last month.”
You solution would be the equivalent of states shutting down their borders. Not exactly economically practical.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
China was slow to quarantine the city of Wu Han, many travelers had already left the area, spreading the illness.
They probably don't need all the new hospitals because most have already died. Not that they would admit it.
It's not part of their culture.

Where as Italy's society is not that closed off.
Their results are probably equal to China.
 

Box Ox

Well-Known Member
You solution would be the equivalent of states shutting down their borders. Not exactly economically practical.

I'd bet our federal government and agencies are better at outbreak oversight than Brussels is. The Europeans want a state-like relationship between member countries without having adequate measures in place to run it properly.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
These numbers are being artificially inflated by the fact that in a lot of areas testing is only being done on those who present with severe symptoms and folks with milder to no symptoms are not being represented. In places like South Korea where widespread resting is being conducted the fatality rate is about .7% vs .1% for the flu. That's still significantly higher, but nowhere near as bad as the fear mongers would have you believe.
No the numbers represent deaths from known cases. The Koreans are being proactive and catching cases early to get them treatment. If we don't go to the extent they have we're going to see a huge increase in cases and deaths. And not so easy considering our population size and geographical size.
 

newfie

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These numbers are being artificially inflated by the fact that in a lot of areas testing is only being done on those who present with severe symptoms and folks with milder to no symptoms are not being represented. In places like South Korea where widespread resting is being conducted the fatality rate is about .7% vs .1% for the flu. That's still significantly higher, but nowhere near as bad as the fear mongers would have you believe.

the facts still speak for themselves 57 deaths and the hospitals are not blown out and overwhelmed with coronavirus patients.

everyone on the liberal side is trying desperately to over inflate the affect of this virus here despite hard evidence to the contrary
 
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