Coronavirus

[Fred's Myth]

Free Will is a myth too, but you still have to live your life like it’s real.

Oh it's real alright!

 

[vantexan]

Mongrels with neanderthal genes are most severely affected by the Chinese Virus.

So how bad was it for you?

 

[vantexan]

How do you know anything exists outside your mind, and that everything you think you experience isn't just a dream or a hallucination? Literally everything you experience is electrical and hormonal input that your brain decodes. Even that idea may only be the machinations of my own mind. That is what everyone bases their view of reality on, assuming anyone but me actually exists.

Well that certainly excuses you from participating in the greater society around you. Reminds me of the scene from "Kung Fu" where the old master asks the young Caine if he was imagining he was a grasshopper, or a grasshopper imagining he was a young boy.

 

[vantexan]

I wanted President Obama to do more to get us out of those GWBush( you know the guy republicans loved and supported) wars, but he did do massive troop drawdowns that trump has failed to come close to matching.

Nah, all Trump did was destroy ISIS. You remember ISIS, which Obama called the JV team?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Yea we can make moral choices. Darth vader did it

Moral according to whom? Maybe the rebels were ones who were wrong? If there is no objectivity, then morality is relative.

Your ability to think is what proves your mind, at least, exists. How can there be a thought without an "I" to think it?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Well that certainly excuses you from participating in the greater society around you. Reminds me of the scene from "Kung Fu" where the old master asks the young Caine if he was imagining he was a grasshopper, or a grasshopper imagining he was a young boy.

I'm not using this philosophical exercise as an excuse for anything. There is a point to it. Just as there was a point to helping the grasshopper realize he was dreaming that he was a young boy.

 

[rickyb]

Moral according to whom? Maybe the rebels were ones who were wrong? If there is no objectivity, then morality is relative.

Your ability to think is what proves your mind, at least, exists. How can there be a thought without an "I" to think it?

the jedi were certainly part wrong. so were the rebels as they evolved into different characters by the end of the last movie.

i havent looked up / cant recall the counter argument to what you said.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Probably one of the most important things you can inform yourself about COVID 19.

Those who want to keep us locked down say they want to follow the science... But they don't really.

Why is this information not headline news?

The Great Barrington Declaration


As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings, and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.


On October 4, 2020, this declaration was authored and signed in Great Barrington, United States, by:

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, an epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Then you have this laughable joke of a governor saying this just yesterday:

California governor's office tells diners to wear masks "in between bites"

The California governor's office put out a tweet on Saturday advising that restaurant-goers keep their masks on while dining. "Going out to eat with members of your household this weekend?" the tweet reads. "Don't forget to keep your mask on in between bites. Do your part to keep those around you healthy."

Totally backed up by science. LMAO!

Here's a newsweek article about the Great Barrington Declaration:

Over 6,000 Scientists Sign 'Anti-Lockdown' Petition

"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies," the petition says.

www.newsweek.com

Democrat representatives and forced narrative media will promptly dismiss it as a conspiracy theory, and denounce the authors as crack-pots. Liberals will repeat the lies of their leaders over and over until they have convinced themselves they are true. SNAFU.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

College Student COVID Deaths Remain Virtually Nonexistent

More than a month into the fall semester, COVID hospitalizations of students at 50 of the nation's top colleges remain near zero.

thefederalist.com

 

[rickyb]

College Student COVID Deaths Remain Virtually Nonexistent

More than a month into the fall semester, COVID hospitalizations of students at 50 of the nation's top colleges remain near zero.

thefederalist.com

yea but if they have it then they can spread it to at risk segments of the population

 

[rickyb]

Here's a newsweek article about the Great Barrington Declaration:

Over 6,000 Scientists Sign 'Anti-Lockdown' Petition

"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies," the petition says.

www.newsweek.com

Democrat representatives and forced narrative media will promptly dismiss it as a conspiracy theory, and denounce the authors as crack-pots. Liberals will repeat the lies of their leaders over and over until they have convinced themselves they are true. SNAFU.

theres alot of bad economics profs at america's top schools

 

[zubenelgenubi]

theres alot of bad economics profs at america's top schools

By bad you mean ones you disagree with.

 

[oldngray]

By bad you mean ones you disagree with.

What do capitalists know about economics anyway?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

yea but if they have it then they can spread it to at risk segments of the population

That's why the experts who signed on to the GBD have called for targeted protection of the vulnerable population. The faster it spreads among the low risk populations, the faster herd immunity will be achieved, the faster we can get about our lives, and the faster the high risk population can start accessing the needed services with a normal level of risk. Drawing out the pandemic is bad for everyone, but the vulnerable suffer the most.

 

[rickyb]

What do capitalists know about economics anyway?

has nothing to do with capitalism.

the economics profession is regularily trashed by guys i listen to including what htey teach in schools

 

[rickyb]

By bad you mean ones you disagree with.

no i watched some documentary of the financial crisis and they were dissing some of hte top professors because in part they have no morals. they were engaged in the shady activities that led to the 2008 financial crisis

 

[rickyb]

That's why the experts who signed on to the GBD have called for targeted protection of the vulnerable population. The faster it spreads among the low risk populations, the faster herd immunity will be achieved, the faster we can get about our lives, and the faster the high risk population can start accessing the needed services with a normal level of risk. Drawing out the pandemic is bad for everyone, but the vulnerable suffer the most.

from what i understand end game is a vaccine not herd immunity but i havent listened to alot. youre quite right the poor are suffering hte most. how do they plan on protecting people who are vulnerable when they want everyone else to have it?

 

[tonyexpress]

from what i understand end game is a vaccine not herd immunity but i havent listened to alot. youre quite right the poor are suffering hte most. how do they plan on protecting people who are vulnerable when they want everyone else to have it?

Read the Great Barrington Declaration and find out. It is only one page long. Also, learn to spell the simple word "the" it is annoying.

 

[oldngray]

Thousands of scientists urge end to ‘devastating’ lockdowns in Great Barrington Declaration

About 15,000 scientists and doctors worldwide have signed a newly created document urging an end to pandemic lockdowns, arguing that the policies aimed at curtailing the novel coronavirus have produced “devastating” effects on public health.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[zubenelgenubi]

from what i understand end game is a vaccine not herd immunity but i havent listened to alot. youre quite right the poor are suffering hte most. how do they plan on protecting people who are vulnerable when they want everyone else to have it?

Herd immunity is not a goal. It is a force of nature. If we draw out the pandemic until a vaccine is available, more people would have been harmed. And even with a vaccine, the herd immunity will be reached. My prediction is herd immunity will be reached long before a safe, proven vaccine is available, negating the need for the vaccine.

And It's not the poor who are vulnerable to the disease, per se. Nice attempt at a dodge there, though. They are vulnerable to the effects of the lock downs. If you care about the poor, you need to support ending the lockdowns. You protect the elderly, who are the most vulnerable to the disease, by letting everyone else get about their lives, obtain herd immunity as quickly as possible, and devote resources to helping the vulnerable get through with minimal disruption. The way we are going now we are using and wasting far more resources trying to keep everyone locked up and developing a vaccine that will be useless by the time it is available.