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zubenelgenubi

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@zubenelgenubi " They are not wrong when they mock cultural relativism, the idea that good and evil, right and wrong, truth and untruth, do not exist. " - chris hedges


i wanted to get that little bit in there. do you need to believe in a god to believe in absolute morality?

Who decides? If an absolute moral law exists without a moral authority it would either be apart from consciousness, like a universal law like gravity (if gravity indeed were a universal law], or a result of consciousness. If one were to discover this absolute moral law, how would he be able to distinguish between it and God?

But relativism persists, if you don't believe in God. You may say it is never ok to strike a fellow human, and such an action should be punishable with a proportional punishment. But if striking another person is the only way to prevent greater injury, would striking him not be the moral thing to do? So, the morality of violence is relative or situational, maybe. Or there is a higher moral law that applies across all situations.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Who decides?
The Lawgiver has decided.
If an absolute moral law exists without a moral authority
Not just a moral authority, The Authority.
If one were to discover this absolute moral law, how would he be able to distinguish between it and God?
The Giver of the law is not the Law.
But relativism persists, if you don't believe in God.
Absolutely correct. ... Or, you don’t believe in the standard of authority He has given.
 

zubenelgenubi

I'm a star
The Lawgiver has decided.

Not just a moral authority, The Authority.

The Giver of the law is not the Law.

Absolutely correct. ... Or, you don’t believe in the standard of authority He has given.

These questions are directed at ricky, who believes in an absolute morality, and doesn't think you need God for moral absolutism. So I am asking him those questions because I want to know his justifications for believing what he believes.

I could also ask you why you believe in God, but that wouldn't be because I am trying to argue against the existence of God, but because I want to know how you arrived at your conclusion.
 
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