Coronavirus

[Box Ox]

 

[rickyb]

Gonna be the same event regardless of the stream host. Here’s Fox News’ stream:

u r wasting ur time listening to this crap

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

o yea?

o yea!

 

[rickyb]

o yea!

thats amazing

 

[Box Ox]

u r wasting ur time listening to this crap

Not listening to it. Just pulled it up to see if the people standing behind Trump would make me surprised Pikachu face.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

As an evangelical friend of mine recently said to me, “Masks are for Democrats.” State mask mandates don’t matter in the presence of a pervasive anti-mask, anti-distancing and generally anti-science counter culture on the right that we all know Trump is encouraging.

Anti-science? Lol. You mean anti-"muh experts!"

 

[rickyb]

Anti-science? Lol. You mean anti-"muh experts!"

alot of the christian right dont believe in science and they view trump as a useful idiot

 

[Box Ox]

Anti-science? Lol. You mean anti-"muh experts!"

Hey, whatever you want to call it. The White House is gonna lose moderate votes in droves with the maskless rallies and White House Office of Science and Technology Policy claims that they’ve already defeated the virus as people continue to die from it.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Hey, whatever you want to call it. The White House is gonna lose moderate votes in droves with the maskless rallies and White House Office of Science and Technology Policy claims that they’ve already defeated the virus as people continue to die from it.

The point is that the people claiming to be pro-science are acting in an anti-scientific way. You start with the conclusion that masks and social distancing are important tools in fighting the spread of the virus, and then you interpret all other data through that lens. When in reality, there is no empirical evidence that those things slow the spread. The only factor that has shown a strong connection to virus spread is absolute humidity. The greater the humidity, the less contagious the virus.

This anti-science bent popular opinion is on about masking and social distancing is only distracting from understanding the reality about viruses, how they spread, and the best measures to take to slow them down. People only think masks work because they fail to understand the scale of the world of viruses. But let's keep haranguing people for not doing something that has no evidence of working, that'll solve everything.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

alot of the christian right dont believe in science and they view trump as a useful idiot

A lot of people like to string random words together and hope they form meaningful sentences. Better luck next time.

 

[rickyb]

The point is that the people claiming to be pro-science are acting in an anti-scientific way. You start with the conclusion that masks and social distancing are important tools in fighting the spread of the virus, and then you interpret all other data through that lens. When in reality, there is no empirical evidence that those things slow the spread. The only factor that has shown a strong connection to virus spread is absolute humidity. The greater the humidity, the less contagious the virus.

This anti-science bent popular opinion is on about masking and social distancing is only distracting from understanding the reality about viruses, how they spread, and the best measures to take to slow them down. People only think masks work because they fail to understand the scale of the world of viruses. But let's keep haranguing people for not doing something that has no evidence of working, that'll solve everything.

so doctors who study science are wrong? you'd think they would maybe change the rules at their clinics if that were the case.

 

[rickyb]

A lot of people like to string random words together and hope they form meaningful sentences. Better luck next time.

Trump’s Barrett Nomination Another Step Toward Christian Fascism

All fascist and totalitarian movements paper over their squalid belief systems with the veneer of morality.

scheerpost.com

 

[zubenelgenubi]

so doctors who study science are wrong? you'd think they would maybe change the rules at their clinics if that were the case.

See, you still don't even understand the fallaciousness of your own thinking. There are so many reasons why that is not a valid argument. There are also experts in health care ppe who understand and promote the reality of masks, and yet the myth about masks still persists.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Trump’s Barrett Nomination Another Step Toward Christian Fascism

All fascist and totalitarian movements paper over their squalid belief systems with the veneer of morality.

scheerpost.com

Wow, they put together a whole article of nonsense. Impressive.

 

[rickyb]

Wow, they put together a whole article of nonsense. Impressive.

r u a christian?

 

[rickyb]

See, you still don't even understand the fallaciousness of your own thinking. There are so many reasons why that is not a valid argument. There are also experts in health care ppe who understand and promote the reality of masks, and yet the myth about masks still persists.

these ppl specialize in science. you'd think they maybe know something. like just maybe were doing something right, its only 2020. how long have we been at science for now... 400 years?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

these ppl specialize in science. you'd think they maybe know something. like just maybe were doing something right, its only 2020. how long have we been at science for now... 400 years?

You are talking about made up people who only exist in your head. No one "specializes" in science. But there are scientific principles that people who consider themselves scientists should adhere to. Science requires logic, and that is something the average person has no education in. Appeal to authority in and of itself is no basis for a public health strategy. Bias and poor logic are something scientists have to contend with to get a clearer picture of reality. Arguing from a conclusion is an illogical approach. Believing "experts" must be right always is illogical, especially when experts disagree. Double blind random controlled tests and experiments are the best tools we have for eliminating bias. All such tests that measure the efficacy of masks have shown insignificant evidence that masks slow the spread of respiratory illnesses. It's that simple. Any "expert" who recommends wearing masks is either unaware of the facts, believes they can't hurt so why not, or is simply trying to give the public what they want, or some combination of those, and possibly other things.

 

[rickyb]

You are talking about made up people who only exist in your head. No one "specializes" in science. But there are scientific principles that people who consider themselves scientists should adhere to. Science requires logic, and that is something the average person has no education in. Appeal to authority in and of itself is no basis for a public health strategy. Bias and poor logic are something scientists have to contend with to get a clearer picture of reality. Arguing from a conclusion is an illogical approach. Believing "experts" must be right always is illogical, especially when experts disagree. Double blind random controlled tests and experiments are the best tools we have for eliminating bias. All such tests that measure the efficacy of masks have shown insignificant evidence that masks slow the spread of respiratory illnesses. It's that simple. Any "expert" who recommends wearing masks is either unaware of the facts, believes they can't hurt so why not, or is simply trying to give the public what they want, or some combination of those, and possibly other things.

yea you'd think doctors would have some understanding of how to read scientific literature including the stuff on masks LOL

 

[fishtm2001]

You are talking about made up people who only exist in your head. No one "specializes" in science. But there are scientific principles that people who consider themselves scientists should adhere to. Science requires logic, and that is something the average person has no education in. Appeal to authority in and of itself is no basis for a public health strategy. Bias and poor logic are something scientists have to contend with to get a clearer picture of reality. Arguing from a conclusion is an illogical approach. Believing "experts" must be right always is illogical, especially when experts disagree. Double blind random controlled tests and experiments are the best tools we have for eliminating bias. All such tests that measure the efficacy of masks have shown insignificant evidence that masks slow the spread of respiratory illnesses. It's that simple. Any "expert" who recommends wearing masks is either unaware of the facts, believes they can't hurt so why not, or is simply trying to give the public what they want, or some combination of those, and possibly other things.

Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports

The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...

www.nature.com

A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients

The pandemic of COVID-19 is growing, and a shortage of masks and respirators has been reported globally. Policies of health organizations for healthcare workers are inconsistent, with a change in policy in the US for universal face mask use. The aim of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

 

[Babagounj]

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