different pay rates??
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longlunchguy
Runnin on Empty
(free smiley)Uhhhh. if thats your logic then all part timers should also get paid just as much. Hell ya. Why shouldn't I be making $22/hr loading if the combo guy i'm loading next to is making $22/hr? its the same job isn't it? Me thinks there is a reason why though.
brownrodster
Well-Known Member
There are only a few of these jobs in my hub. New openings are only open to PT bid and not open to full time bid in our supplement. Only vacated 22.3's are open to FT bid. You had to have major PT seniority to score one of these 22.3 jobs. Guys who could have been drivers well before I even hired on with UPS are the type of people who get these jobs.
If I had the opportunity to become 22.3 I would have taken it. Now that I'm FT I'm just waiting to get into feeder. Feeder will come before a vacated 22.3 job does.
LastBest&Final
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UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Stuck_on_preload
Member
Pardon my ingnorance but the title "22.3" and it's accompanying job is not used in my neck of the woods. I'm sure we have those jobs but I don't know what it is.
LastBest&Final
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Article 22, section 3:
Section 3
The parties agree that providing part-time employees the opportunity to become full-time employees is a
priority of this Agreement. Accordingly, the Employer commits that during the life of this Agreement,
it will offer part-time employees the opportunity to fill at least twenty thousand (20,000) permanent fulltime
job openings throughout its operations covered by this Agreement.
This commitment shall include the obligation to create at least ten thousand (10,000) new full-time jobs
from existing part-time jobs during the life of this Agreement throughout its operations covered by this
Agreement; two thousand five hundred (2500) jobs during each year beginning in the third year of this
Agreement. The Employer shall, wherever possible, reschedule part-time employees to make additional
full-time jobs or combination full-time jobs. No part-time employee shall be laid off or suffer a loss of a
job as a result of creating a full-time job under this Article or Article 40.
The Employer’s obligation under this Article and Article 40 of this Agreement to create full-time jobs
from part-time jobs shall be satisfied by the creation of 10,000 full-time jobs during the life of this
Agreement notwithstanding any other provisions in this Agreement, any Supplement, Rider or
Addendum.
In order to enable the Union to enforce and monitor this provision, the Employer shall provide a
quarterly report to the Parcel and Small Package Trade Division Director containing the location of each
job created under this Section during the previous quarter and the identity of the jobs combined to create
the positions.
Part-time employees shall be selected for full-time openings in accordance with the procedures
contained in the applicable Supplement, Rider or Addendum.
The number of full-time jobs created under Article 22, Section 3 of the 1997-2002 and the 2002-2008
Agreements shall not be reduced. Within sixty (60) days of the ratification of this Agreement the
Employer shall provide the International Teamsters Union a report detailing and identifying the
full-time jobs which will need to be maintained pursuant to this paragraph.
Section 3
The parties agree that providing part-time employees the opportunity to become full-time employees is a
priority of this Agreement. Accordingly, the Employer commits that during the life of this Agreement,
it will offer part-time employees the opportunity to fill at least twenty thousand (20,000) permanent fulltime
job openings throughout its operations covered by this Agreement.
This commitment shall include the obligation to create at least ten thousand (10,000) new full-time jobs
from existing part-time jobs during the life of this Agreement throughout its operations covered by this
Agreement; two thousand five hundred (2500) jobs during each year beginning in the third year of this
Agreement. The Employer shall, wherever possible, reschedule part-time employees to make additional
full-time jobs or combination full-time jobs. No part-time employee shall be laid off or suffer a loss of a
job as a result of creating a full-time job under this Article or Article 40.
The Employer’s obligation under this Article and Article 40 of this Agreement to create full-time jobs
from part-time jobs shall be satisfied by the creation of 10,000 full-time jobs during the life of this
Agreement notwithstanding any other provisions in this Agreement, any Supplement, Rider or
Addendum.
In order to enable the Union to enforce and monitor this provision, the Employer shall provide a
quarterly report to the Parcel and Small Package Trade Division Director containing the location of each
job created under this Section during the previous quarter and the identity of the jobs combined to create
the positions.
Part-time employees shall be selected for full-time openings in accordance with the procedures
contained in the applicable Supplement, Rider or Addendum.
The number of full-time jobs created under Article 22, Section 3 of the 1997-2002 and the 2002-2008
Agreements shall not be reduced. Within sixty (60) days of the ratification of this Agreement the
Employer shall provide the International Teamsters Union a report detailing and identifying the
full-time jobs which will need to be maintained pursuant to this paragraph.
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
Why feed the troll?
gandydancer
Well-Known Member
So you think feeder is even more of a scam than 22.3?
brownrodster
Well-Known Member
uhh, what ? No. If 90% of feeder drivers did it for 8.50$ an hour and I was one of the lucky few doing it for 28$ an hour then yes I think I would be scamming UPS.
Why pay a guy 23$ an hour to drive a truck to the airport. Then sort smalls all night. When there are many people with much worse and more difficult positions working for 8.50$ an hour. Those easy / easy combo jobs are a joke. I'm glad they exist. And glad UPS made more full time jobs. And I would love to sort smalls and drive to the airport for 23$ an hour and only work 8 hours per day. But I wouldn't feel as though I was contributing to the success of the company by any means.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
if you don't do it, then don't comment about it. IMO
The only people doing two "easy" jobs are stewards in our building, and maybe a few management pets that have been around forever.
Everyone else has at least one difficult job, if not two (if management really doesn't like you they try to make 22.3s quit by favoring the P/Ters giving them easy loads or work assignments and giving the 22.3 the worst)
you have no idea what yo're talking about on this one.
gypsy mcgee
Member
nice take sleeve!
UnconTROLLed
perfection
In this area, newly created jobs are open to P/T bid only. The opening of existing 22.3, pkg, feeder etc are only bid on by friend/T employees. these are actual bids from an extension of our biannual bidding. Since there's no new 22.3 jobs being created anymore, there sure as heck won't be many available to P/Ters.
gypsy mcgee
Member
there won't be another pt to ft around here for a long time. every vacated job will be filled by an existing ft employee
fethrs
Well-Known Member
I agree with 705 Red as I am a full time 22.3 inside/inside. I don't mind the drivers making more money, the work they do it much harder and more stressfull in many ways. I was a driver for a while and it was hard and stressfull compared to what I do now. I don't make as much money but I don't mind if I wanted to make more money I would put my name on the list.
Brown_Noser
Large Member
I speak Gobbly Goop.
I will translate.: Will someone pound this person (corycar7) in the head and tell him to grow up? Let him go fulltime, if he has the balls to drive, and let him feel the pressure.
brownrodster
Well-Known Member
I've done both air shuttle and small sort. I am more than qualified to comment on a position that combines the two. Cakewalk.
LastBest&Final
To Endeavor To Persevere
I just don't understand why a full timer is not allowed to bid a newly created job open if it is a different full time position. The full timer should have first opportunity then the part timers. Why would a P/T have more claim to the job than a friend/T? That language in your supplement seems weird and I don't understand what purpose it would serve not to allow a full timer to bid a newly created full time job?
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