ThePackageDeli
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Ground only and residential only. small packages only. And they can pick up drop boxes. That's it.
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ThePackageDeli
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If they want their OT, they can have it. But the reality on the ground is, nearly every driver I've ever met would want stops taken off if given the choice... Shoot a text to the 15 heaviest guys in the morning before shift and ask if they want work cut or if they want to keep it.
542thruNthru
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PTers being PVDs makes no sense and would only hurt FT jobs. Why not just put language to have more FT routes so that those 15 heavy routes are not heavy.
ThePackageDeli
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The flip side of that is, you're helping part timers.. alot! But negotiating for more routes would be great too.
542thruNthru
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Helping them do what? Stay PT longer?
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542thruNthru
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I'd rather PTers have a 5 hour limit so that they can have a second job with out UPS jeopardizing it by making them work 8 hours.
ThePackageDeli
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That's definitely a way of looking at it. You might be right. Especially for the long term. I'm only thinking of the immediate benefits.
Coldworld
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And call them 22.5’s????
rustys954rr
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I think he's proposing 22.4s without a full time pension.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I do not mind if people decided to stay part time, in some areas you will lose pension benefits if you went full time. That has to change in 2023, the Company is saving a lot of money when they have a part timer work a full time service year even with them getting O/T after five. They are not creating a legitimate full time position which would be paying into the full timer’s pension trusts, except in the West. They pay on average 100 dollars less in our negotiated Weekly Health and Welfare benefits. They get less vacation pay (20 hours) and inferior disability benefits, if it comes to layoffs the lower seniority part timers will be the first ones out the door.
Most of the part timers in the Central and Southern who work full time hours are high seniority, some have over 35 years in and have quit accruing pension increases. That hurts the full timer’s pension plans were the Company provides monetary contributions of roughly 500 a week. Next contract I expect that the starting wages for part timers will be over 20 an hour, they will try to work them 3.5 or 5 hours, no overtime. All the extra work will given to the
full timers by seniority rights.
Bottom line is that no part timer should be working full time hours for an extended time period. If they wanted to be considered full time they should of bid on a full time position. I know why some stayed part time because of the failure of the international to fix their long term future pension benefits when they have to start all over again in the (full time) pension plan (IBT/UPS)...
Will see if this issue is brought up by the negotiating committees ..
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Cowboy Mac
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What about the growth of ft driver jobs? In areas like Texas where population is exploding we create more and more routes every year. With PVDs and a contractual limit on routes, they would just add more PVDs not FT drivers and bid routes.
PT Car Washer
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As usual you have a keen insight and understanding of the PT/FT divide. There are other PT members that either couldn't do the physical work of FT or have other more important commitments.I do not mind if people decided to stay part time, in some areas you will lose pension benefits if you went full time. That has to change in 2023, the Company is saving a lot of money when they have a part timer work a full time service year even with them getting O/T after five. They are not creating a legitimate full time position which would be paying into the full timer’s pension trusts, except in the West. They pay on average 100 dollars less in our negotiated Weekly Health and Welfare benefits. They get less vacation pay (20 hours) and inferior disability benefits, if it comes to layoffs the lower seniority part timers will be the first ones out the door.
Most of the part timers in the Central and Southern who work full time hours are high seniority, some have over 35 years in and have quit accruing pension increases. That hurts the full timer’s pension plans were the Company provides monetary contributions of roughly 500 a week. Next contract I expect that the starting wages for part timers will be over 20 an hour, they will try to work them 3.5 or 5 hours, no overtime. All the extra work will given to the
full timers by seniority rights.
Bottom line is that no part timer should be working full time hours for an extended time period. If they wanted to be considered full time they should of bid on a full time position. I know why some stayed part time because of the failure of the international to fix their long term future pension benefits when they have to start all over again in the (full time) pension plan (IBT/UPS)...
Will see if this issue is brought up by the negotiating committees ..
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Most of us have been part time, we probably have more insight and history of how the Company and the Union has treated that part of their employees and membership. The full timers who have vested time as a part timer might be willing to fight for improvements in that pension plan this next contract, it is really amazing how most of our members have given up on expecting anything of substance from these negotiating committees. The physical demands of most of the full time jobs at UPS generally cancels out much of the advancement of our female members...they can do the work but it will destroy their bodies in the long run. It would be interesting to see the statistics of women who worked at UPS and never required the time for a good pension and/or health benefits, it has to be awful.
Yeah great idea that involves working off the clock! Maybe you can come in and wash the truck on the weekend too?
ThePackageDeli
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What I'm proposing doesn't involve an 8-hour guarantee, is completely optional, and likely wouldn't even be available to do EVERY single day. Only some days.
ThePackageDeli
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What are you referring to that is a full-time job? What I'm talking about doesn't exist (yet). I'm talking about extra work for part-timers. 1 to 3 hours of optional extra work on the days it's needed.
Then they need to be made into full-time jobs
ThePackageDeli
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If they're made into full-time jobs, workers will either expect an 8-hour guarantee, or be forced to work a minimum number of hours and that eliminates the optional work piece of this proposal. It should be optional extra work made available based on seniority, with a sign-up sheet.
Whither
Scofflaw
I keep trying to spread the word to fellow drivers ( @542thruNthru ) that they should demand their guarantees instead of playing into the company's hands now that overdispatching and sending 10-15 home and some of the 22.4s to inside work is the game. Also trying to make sure any and all possible supes' working grievances are filed, e.g., for supes delivering misloads and L.I.B.s, covering pickups, etc.
If you think we lost stuff to last few contracts what they want now is going to be ridiculous
This is a full-time job we pay Union dues and our jobs will not be outsourced
