UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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My daughter will be in the 9.4 million as of the 1st of August.
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brett636
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The lower life expetancy is due to the fact that we have a higher population, so here you are more likely to be in a car accident than in Canada. It has nothing to do with the health care system in general. In fact most Americans agree that the problem doesn't lie with access or quality, which will both be reduced under a government healthcare plan like in Canada.
You might want to think that statement through again. There is still time to edit
klein
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Actually, I like that statement. It makes sense that your drugs (medication) is 35-40% more expensive too.
The drugstores need larger parking lots. Thats why ! LOL
No, the real truth is : The Canadian Goverment buys Medication in bulk, at a major discount price. Which is not allowed in the USA.
So, it's kinda like Walmart versus the cornerstore in pricing.
Plus, the patents of new drugs are 5 years less here then those in the states.
I think it's 10 years total, in the USA it's up to 15 years.
So, we are 5 years ahead of you, making cheaper no name brands.
And any pharmacist well tell you, that no name codeine, or no name asperin is actually the same (same chemical ingredients).
brett636
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We have companies that buy drugs in bulk and sell generics cheap. Walmart sells some 300+ different generic drugs and sells a 3 month supply for $10. Now a lot of pharmacies offer these kind of generics, and I know of atleast 10(probably more) pharmacies within a 5 mile radius of my house should I actually have to go to one.
BTW, don't you find it ironic that our FDA is why drugs take so long to get to market here yet you think its ok for government agencies like the FDA to have more control over our healthcare?
klein
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Well, we have Walmart here, too, and other big food chains, such as Safeway, Shoppers Drugmart, etc. That sell drugs for less.
But, the point is, our Walmart drugs are 35-40% cheaper, then the same drugs at your walmart !
I know, you have medication mostly paid thru the UPS insurance.
But, for other americans, it's a multibillion dollar trade, they are buying medication drugs in Canada or thru Canadian Websites.
Especially those with cronic illnesses, that pay thousand or thousands of dollars per month. $1000.00 worth of medication is only $600 here. Huge savings.
Oh, we wait forever, just like you when new drugs are introduced. I was talking about once they are patented. The drugfirm who invented it, can keep it patented (sole provider of that drug), for up to 15 years in the states. Here, only 10 years, then others can copy cat.
But, the point is, our Walmart drugs are 35-40% cheaper, then the same drugs at your walmart !
I know, you have medication mostly paid thru the UPS insurance.
But, for other americans, it's a multibillion dollar trade, they are buying medication drugs in Canada or thru Canadian Websites.
Especially those with cronic illnesses, that pay thousand or thousands of dollars per month. $1000.00 worth of medication is only $600 here. Huge savings.
Oh, we wait forever, just like you when new drugs are introduced. I was talking about once they are patented. The drugfirm who invented it, can keep it patented (sole provider of that drug), for up to 15 years in the states. Here, only 10 years, then others can copy cat.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
Canada border is drug war's second front
More agents to fight spike in trafficking
By David Crary ASSOCIATED PRESS | Sunday, July 26, 2009
PLATTSBURGH, N.Y. | The world's longest undefended border: It's a catchy yet increasingly imprecise term for the U.S.-Canada frontier, as authorities on both sides ratchet up efforts to curb bustling traffic in illegal drugs and guns.
The U.S. Border Patrol has tripled the number of agents along the 5,500-mile stretch in recent years, with hundreds more soon to be deployed. Unmanned U.S. surveillance aircraft are being tested for use over the frontier, and video surveillance towers are going up around Buffalo and Detroit. Multi-agency, binational law enforcement teams operate in 15 regions from coast to coast.
Thousands of Mexican troops battle the cartels in a conflict that has killed more than 11,000 people since late 2006. By comparison, the scale of drug violence and trafficking in Canada is minuscule.
Yet the northern border, mostly out of the spotlight, presents its own challenges. It is hard to monitor due to its length and geography and used by a diverse array of traffickers ranging from outlaw motorcycle gangs to Asian-run drug rings.
"It's a long border, mostly very remote, very wooded, very sparsely populated," said James Burns, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) special agent in charge of upstate New York. "It's easy to go from one side to the other without detection."
Canada supplies large quantities of marijuana to American users, including hundreds of thousands of pounds a year of lucrative, high-potency "B.C. Bud" from British Columbia. Canada also has developed rapidly into a leading supplier of ecstasy - often laced with highly addictive methamphetamine - both for U.S. and overseas markets, as crime gangs operate factory-style superlabs.
The contraband arrives by helicopter, boat and float plane, in cattle trucks, hikers' backpacks and by snowmobile. One favored smuggling passageway is the St. Regis/Akwesasne Mohawk Indian reservation straddling the St. Lawrence River along the New York-Canada border where tribal sovereignty limits access by Canadian and U.S. investigators.
Just this month, federal and state authorities in Plattsburgh, on the western shore of Lake Champlain, announced the dismantling of a purported billion-dollar marijuana smuggling ring that used the Mohawk land as a transit route into the United States.
"Operation Iron Curtain" resulted in charges against more than 45 people, from Quebec to Florida. Over the past four years, the ring smuggled about $250 million worth of high-grade, hydroponic marijuana into the United States annually, authorities said.
"It's easy to forget in these idyllic surroundings and friendly communities - and with our close relationship with our Canadian neighbors - that there are people so interested in lining their own pockets that they don't care what harm they cause others," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Grant Jaquit.
More agents to fight spike in trafficking
By David Crary ASSOCIATED PRESS | Sunday, July 26, 2009
PLATTSBURGH, N.Y. | The world's longest undefended border: It's a catchy yet increasingly imprecise term for the U.S.-Canada frontier, as authorities on both sides ratchet up efforts to curb bustling traffic in illegal drugs and guns.
The U.S. Border Patrol has tripled the number of agents along the 5,500-mile stretch in recent years, with hundreds more soon to be deployed. Unmanned U.S. surveillance aircraft are being tested for use over the frontier, and video surveillance towers are going up around Buffalo and Detroit. Multi-agency, binational law enforcement teams operate in 15 regions from coast to coast.
Thousands of Mexican troops battle the cartels in a conflict that has killed more than 11,000 people since late 2006. By comparison, the scale of drug violence and trafficking in Canada is minuscule.
Yet the northern border, mostly out of the spotlight, presents its own challenges. It is hard to monitor due to its length and geography and used by a diverse array of traffickers ranging from outlaw motorcycle gangs to Asian-run drug rings.
"It's a long border, mostly very remote, very wooded, very sparsely populated," said James Burns, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) special agent in charge of upstate New York. "It's easy to go from one side to the other without detection."
Canada supplies large quantities of marijuana to American users, including hundreds of thousands of pounds a year of lucrative, high-potency "B.C. Bud" from British Columbia. Canada also has developed rapidly into a leading supplier of ecstasy - often laced with highly addictive methamphetamine - both for U.S. and overseas markets, as crime gangs operate factory-style superlabs.
The contraband arrives by helicopter, boat and float plane, in cattle trucks, hikers' backpacks and by snowmobile. One favored smuggling passageway is the St. Regis/Akwesasne Mohawk Indian reservation straddling the St. Lawrence River along the New York-Canada border where tribal sovereignty limits access by Canadian and U.S. investigators.
Just this month, federal and state authorities in Plattsburgh, on the western shore of Lake Champlain, announced the dismantling of a purported billion-dollar marijuana smuggling ring that used the Mohawk land as a transit route into the United States.
"Operation Iron Curtain" resulted in charges against more than 45 people, from Quebec to Florida. Over the past four years, the ring smuggled about $250 million worth of high-grade, hydroponic marijuana into the United States annually, authorities said.
"It's easy to forget in these idyllic surroundings and friendly communities - and with our close relationship with our Canadian neighbors - that there are people so interested in lining their own pockets that they don't care what harm they cause others," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Grant Jaquit.
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Ladies and gentleman:
Obama's proposal to cut costs in medicare, healthcare, and social security.
In soylent green, it was called "going home".
In Logan's run(thanks jimjames,) it was called "renewal" or "carousel".
Obama's proposal to cut costs in medicare, healthcare, and social security.
In soylent green, it was called "going home".
In Logan's run(thanks jimjames,) it was called "renewal" or "carousel".
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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How can we seriously say, "government" and "health care" in the same sentence??
How about if we add the word "substandard"?
klein
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Employers, consumers and governments at every level are straining under the burden of a health care bill that is growing at a pace five or six times the rate of inflation.
Businesses, squeezed by soaring health insurance costs, are passing an increasing share of the price tag to their workers. That's forcing employees to dig ever deeper into their pockets, prompting millions to forgo coverage altogether and gamble that their families will stay healthy. The public health care system is overwhelmed by the country's 45 million uninsured who turn to hospital emergency rooms for even routine care. And Medicare -- the crown jewel of government health programs -- is projected to run out of funds by 2019 at the current rate of expenditure growth.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/11/MNGII96CVP1.DTL#ixzz0MahNxUUh
So, when you guys retire, don't expect Medicare to be around. Buy your own medication. Then don't blame the goverment, why they didn't stop this from happening. They only did so, because no one wanted it !
Businesses, squeezed by soaring health insurance costs, are passing an increasing share of the price tag to their workers. That's forcing employees to dig ever deeper into their pockets, prompting millions to forgo coverage altogether and gamble that their families will stay healthy. The public health care system is overwhelmed by the country's 45 million uninsured who turn to hospital emergency rooms for even routine care. And Medicare -- the crown jewel of government health programs -- is projected to run out of funds by 2019 at the current rate of expenditure growth.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/10/11/MNGII96CVP1.DTL#ixzz0MahNxUUh
So, when you guys retire, don't expect Medicare to be around. Buy your own medication. Then don't blame the goverment, why they didn't stop this from happening. They only did so, because no one wanted it !
av8torntn
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Thank goodness since that is a huge part of the problem. But why should we wait untill retirement. Why can't we get rid of Medicare now?
Babagounj
Strength through joy
aboy this healthcare bill is not about providing medical help to the masses, its about controlling the masses.
If its such a good healthcare system that the elected members of Congress are voting on , then we are they not required to join ? Because their health plan is way much better.
If its such a good healthcare system that the elected members of Congress are voting on , then we are they not required to join ? Because their health plan is way much better.
klein
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You know I agree with you.
It's ok for the US Goverment to build hospitals... but please only let those that have jobs with insurance enter them !
It's ok for the goverment to build schools, too. Luckily, it's for everyone !
Would be a shame, if you needed insurance, incase you had kids, that went later on to school to use them.
But,, you know what ? I don't care anymore.
When the money runs out. Everyone will be treated equally.. just little healthcare for everyone.
av8torntn
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Actually the Government does not run anything quite well. This has already been proven by the people on this thread who live in little America and bragged about their Government health care. The massive wait times and sub standard care would be unacceptable here.
Why am I afraid of a Government run health care system? Well I fear that we will stand by and allow the continued destruction of our Constitution by those in the vocal minority like yourself. I think most citizens understand that the powers not granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution are reserved for the states. I have a hard time understanding why you fear freedom so much. The Constitution allows an amendment process to give the Government more power but this is not even discussed because you know the majority do not want it and there would be no chance of passage. You guys often make the false claim that our health care is inferior to that in countries that have more government involvement in their systems. If you people really feel this way then why is there nothing in this bill to actually improve health care? All this bill will do is drive up costs and reduce efficiency. I really do feel sorry for most of you that feel that you are not adult enough to take care of yourself and have to force us into some type of substandard system to make you feel better and satisfy your laziness.
Am I overweight? Not sure why you asked but yes I am. I am six feet tall and weigh 198. I did my two mile run in 12 minutes and 44 seconds this morning. Tomorrow is my cycling day and if it is not raining I will ride 30 miles at about a 20 mph average. So yes I am sure you elites who think you know what is best for me will have me on some type of fat tax.
Really, why do you fear allowing me to live my life and have economic freedom and the freedom to eat and live whatever lifestyle I choose? Why do you fear me having the freedom to make my own health care choices. I suppose it really just boils down to why do you hate America and our Constitution so much?
As an aside, I find the love for zero staggering. All of you who hated Bush for spending money, fighting a war that zero continues to maintain yet you people continue to support this foolish regime it is truly amazing.
You people doing everything you can to use the government to stop me from the pursuit of my own self interests is just amazing. You people falsely claim you want to lower health care costs yet you leave Medicare in place. You people claim you want to make health insurance available to more people yet when zero had the chance he voted against an amendment in the Senate that would have allowed insurance companies to sell across state lines. You honestly support this fool zero as president then have to nerve to call someone out for being a hypocrite?
wkmac
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Sometimes one much dig through the layers to get at the truth and it seems to me the gov't has a trusted ally in this healthcare deal in not only big business but big insurers as well. Like Marcellus, something about the "smell in Denmark" comes to mind!
Socialized Healthcare verses the Law of Economics
written by Economics Professor Tom DiLorenzo
moreluck
golden ticket member
People toss around healthcare gossip and it's not funny anymore when it affects you now with the decisions you make. B.O. says you can keep your present healthcare and doctors........politician, lips moving, I know the punchline(that rings of truth.) He's lying!
B.O. didn't need older Americans to get elected. He won't need us in his health system either.
Case of reality in point: I'm on my last 4 chemo sessions. They are called maintenance sessions and it's my choice whether I have them or not. The doctor explained that if my side effects were awful, then I could quit. When I made my decision to get the 'final four' it was with the idea that Obama's plan may have me going to death consultation instead of offering me a treatment. I'm taking them while I can still get them, just in case the hurried health plan gets passed and I'm left out.
B.O. didn't need older Americans to get elected. He won't need us in his health system either.
Case of reality in point: I'm on my last 4 chemo sessions. They are called maintenance sessions and it's my choice whether I have them or not. The doctor explained that if my side effects were awful, then I could quit. When I made my decision to get the 'final four' it was with the idea that Obama's plan may have me going to death consultation instead of offering me a treatment. I'm taking them while I can still get them, just in case the hurried health plan gets passed and I'm left out.
diesel96
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Conservatives refuse to accept responsibilities as the new Administration rescues this economy from a full-blown crisi. And health insurance reform is central to that effort.
This is not just about the 47 million Americans who have no health insurance. Reform is about every American who has ever feared that they may lose their coverage if they become too sick, or lose their job, or change their job. It’s about every small business that has been forced to lay off employees or cut back on their coverage because it became too expensive. And it’s about the fact that the biggest driving force behind our federal deficit is the skyrocketing cost of Medicare and Medicaid.
If we do not control these costs, we will not be able to control our deficit. If we do not reform health care, your premiums and out-of-pocket costs will continue to skyrocket. If we don’t act, 14,000 Americans will continue to lose their health insurance every single day. These are the consequences of inaction. These are the stakes of the debate we’re having right now.
No matter what BS you here from the Right, Health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade. In the past eight years, Republicans enacted two tax cuts, primarily for the wealthiest Americans, and a Medicare prescription program, none of which were paid for. That’s partly for the $1.3 trillion deficit.
That will not happen with health insurance reform. It will be paid for. Already, it's estimated that two-thirds of the cost of reform can be paid for by reallocating money that is simply being wasted in federal health care programs. This includes over one hundred billion dollars of unwarranted subsidies that go to insurance companies as part of Medicare
This is not just about the 47 million Americans who have no health insurance. Reform is about every American who has ever feared that they may lose their coverage if they become too sick, or lose their job, or change their job. It’s about every small business that has been forced to lay off employees or cut back on their coverage because it became too expensive. And it’s about the fact that the biggest driving force behind our federal deficit is the skyrocketing cost of Medicare and Medicaid.
If we do not control these costs, we will not be able to control our deficit. If we do not reform health care, your premiums and out-of-pocket costs will continue to skyrocket. If we don’t act, 14,000 Americans will continue to lose their health insurance every single day. These are the consequences of inaction. These are the stakes of the debate we’re having right now.
No matter what BS you here from the Right, Health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade. In the past eight years, Republicans enacted two tax cuts, primarily for the wealthiest Americans, and a Medicare prescription program, none of which were paid for. That’s partly for the $1.3 trillion deficit.
That will not happen with health insurance reform. It will be paid for. Already, it's estimated that two-thirds of the cost of reform can be paid for by reallocating money that is simply being wasted in federal health care programs. This includes over one hundred billion dollars of unwarranted subsidies that go to insurance companies as part of Medicare
