Gun Control Advocate-Actor Alec Baldwin Shoots Two People, Killing One

[BMWMC]

Regardless, why was he using live ammo?

So now your off of Baldwin? Shapeshifting comments and opinions seems to be an affliction for a lot of posters on BC.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Regardless, why was he using live ammo?

Saw one outlet walking that back.
The union said it was live then "clarified" that a gun loaded with blanks is also considered live.

Lots of people seem to be saying the lady in charge of the guns was incompetent. Whether Baldwin is at fault depends on why these two people were in the line of fire.

 

[wilberforce15]

Has it been disclosed that there was ball ammunition loaded? I thought it was blanks. And that the actor had been told the gun was safe meaning it was not loaded for a rehearsal.

He's responsible for the weapon no matter who told him what.

 

[wilberforce15]

All this shucking and jiving pretending like a man holding a gun isn't responsible for everything that happens with the gun.

 

[PT Car Washer]

He's responsible for the weapon no matter who told him what.

But was it ball ammunition or blanks? Or do you not have all of the facts in this case?

 

[wilberforce15]

But was it ball ammunition or blanks? Or do you not have all of the facts in this case?

It doesn't matter which it was. He is responsible no matter what he was told or what was in it.

The one firing the gun is always at fault. Period.

 

[BMWMC]

Ok, Mr. Federal Prosecutor show us the legal statutes , specific criminal codes and prior similar convictions that supports your claim this this is an "open and shut criminal case" along with the corroborated evidence that would rise to the level of a criminal complaint.

What? You want facts from the crowd that crushes beer can against their foreheads? LOL

 

[burrheadd]

I don't go to gun shows.

Any more.

I teach concealed carry classes, and I'm happy to be at a range that I control. Public ranges? Screw them. Everyone there is an idiot and rules are not adequately enforced. And everyone then says "waht's the big deal? Nobody got hurt." - just like you guys.

Not only a pre load millionaire but a ccw instructor and father to many children
Lmao

 

[wilberforce15]

Not only a pre load millionaire but a ccw instructor and father to many children
Lmao

Yep

 

[wilberforce15]

Guys, the supervisor said he did my pretrip. That blown tire is totally not my fault.

 

[PT Car Washer]

It doesn't matter which it was. He is responsible no matter what he was told or what was in it.

The one firing the gun is always at fault. Period.

So you don't have all of the facts? I'll wait for the police report.

 

[sailfish]

Ricochets have the force to kill.

With astronomically low (borderline nonexistent) odds. Especially with a handgun round.

 

[wilberforce15]

So you don't have all of the facts? I'll wait for the police report.

It doesn't matter what the police report said. The gun was in his hand and killed a person.

He is at fault.

 

[wilberforce15]

This is what I'm talking about. You guys are all very interested in details that don't matter.

If a gun is in your possession, you are fully responsible for all outcomes. Period.

 

[bacha29]

He was in charge of the set which had innumerable safety problems already, and he had the gun in hand that killed a person. 100% negligence with no counterargument possible.

So what you're telling me is that the preliminary facts that have been publicly disclosed in and of themselves rise to the level of a criminal indictment? (lol) Now it MIGHT rise to the level of an involuntary manslaughter charge. Notice I said charge not conviction which won't be easy to get.

In the meantime just let the pros (which you're not) handle the matter.

 

[PT Car Washer]

This is what I'm talking about. You guys are all very interested in details that don't matter.

If a gun is in your possession, you are fully responsible for all outcomes. Period.

Tell that to the police departments that exonerate police officers for killing unarmed citizens because they got scared.

 

[BMWMC]

It doesn't matter which it was. He is responsible no matter what he was told or what was in it.

The one firing the gun is always at fault. Period.

Brandon Lee was killed by a bullet fragment that has became lodges in the barrel of a prop gun. Actors on a set rely on a team of personal for costumes, props, lighting, and a host of other operations. Haven't you seen the credits at the end of a movie. The actor is concern about their performance and not whether a light fixture is secured, a car's emergency brake is on, a horse is properly drugged and trained, or is handed prop gun and is told its been cleared.

 

[wilberforce15]

So what you're telling me is that the preliminary facts that have been publicly disclosed in and of themselves rise to the level of a criminal indictment? (lol) Now it MIGHT rise to the level of an involuntary manslaughter charge. Notice I said charge not conviction which won't be easy to get.

In the meantime just let the pros (which you're not) handle the matter.

He shot someone without intending to do so. That is negligence, by definition.

 

[wilberforce15]

Tell that to the police departments that exonerate police officers for killing unarmed citizens because they got scared.

Justifiable homicide is a thing. The cop is responsible for the outcome there too.

It's just that the outcome wasn't a problem. The guy being dead is fine

 

[burrheadd]

This guy is no firearms instructor. He's an anti gun nut.

Pretty sure about the nut part
Jury’s still out on the rest