Herman Cain

[moreluck]

This is a really great example of what is wrong with American politics.

I formulate an opinion based upon empirical evidence and then take the painstaking time trying to disprove that very evidence. It's learned from the scientific method.

You formulate an opinion based upon empirical evidence (Fox News) and spend hours regurgitating it without thinking twice what you have been told.

That's the American way and that's why you aren't to be taken seriously.

I told you I based my opinion on the numbers I read from actual drivers who bragged about what they earn. Fox News has nothing to do with the earnings of a UPS driver......where do you come up with that?

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I told you I based my opinion on the numbers I read from actual drivers who bragged about what they earn. Fox News has nothing to do with the earnings of a UPS driver......where do you come up with that?

Read the contract, fact check. The sky is falling btw

 

[Lue C Fur]

Recent Hermain Cain interview:

After a few caffeine-heavy refills at our corner table, I asked him about President Obama's new effort to raise taxes on the wealthy, and Cain just about blew a blood vessel--especially when I mentioned the part where Obama says it's about "math" not "class warfare."
"Can I be blunt? That's a lie," Cain said, before the sound of his voice began to rise noticeably higher. "You're not supposed to call the president a liar. Well if you're not supposed to call the president a liar, he shouldn't tell a lie. If it's not class warfare, it's highway robbery. He wants us to believe it's not class warfare, oh okay, it's not class warfare. Pick my pockets, because that's what he's doing!"
Cain paused, took a breath and looked at me.
"I'm not mad at you, I just get passionate about this stuff," he said. "I have to tell people because I get so worked up . . . . I'm listening to all this bull**** that he's talking about, 'fairness' and 'balanced approach' to get this economy going."

Read more here:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/cain-nearly-quit-campaign-florida-straw-poll-says-115734617.html

 

[klein]

Lets see how Cain is going to pick your pockets instead :

Those are all the bullet points from Cain’s plan. My thoughts/questions:

1. When he says, “ends all payroll taxes” what does that mean for Social Security?

2. He’s not clear regarding dividends but I believe he says dividends are tax free at corporate level and taxed as income at the individual level. I like this idea.

3. A 9% federal sales tax. I’m guess this would be on top of state and local taxes. That means in Texas, it would cost me 17.25% to buy something (8.25% + 9%). Not sure I like that.

4. Although I understand the rationale for ending the death tax, I can’t say that I’m 100% for complete elmination. That said, it would make planning very simple if we didn’t have the death tax.

I’m sure I have other thoughts and questions but these were what I came up with off the top of my head. Sadly, I don’t think Mr. Cain will get the nomination but I do like his ideas.
Thoughts?




Read more here (and yes, it's a pro-Cain website, too) !!!

 

[moreluck]

Lets see how Cain is going to pick your pockets instead :

Those are all the bullet points from Cain’s plan. My thoughts/questions:

1. When he says, “ends all payroll taxes” what does that mean for Social Security?

2. He’s not clear regarding dividends but I believe he says dividends are tax free at corporate level and taxed as income at the individual level. I like this idea.

3. A 9% federal sales tax. I’m guess this would be on top of state and local taxes. That means in Texas, it would cost me 17.25% to buy something (8.25% + 9%). Not sure I like that.

4. Although I understand the rationale for ending the death tax, I can’t say that I’m 100% for complete elmination. That said, it would make planning very simple if we didn’t have the death tax.

I’m sure I have other thoughts and questions but these were what I came up with off the top of my head. Sadly, I don’t think Mr. Cain will get the nomination but I do like his ideas.
Thoughts?




Read more here (and yes, it's a pro-Cain website, too) !!!

That's a lot of work for a non candidate!!! Wait 'til there is an actual candidate for the GOP..then do your research.

 

[trplnkl]

Read the contract, fact check. The sky is falling btw

Your buddy here claims to exceed $100 per year as a package car driver. There have been several feeder drivers to claim to go over that as well.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Your buddy here claims to exceed $100 per year as a package car driver. There have been several feeder drivers to claim to go over that as well.

Do the math, 31/hr times 40 hours for 52 weeks. How long were you a driver for? Your base was nowhere near 75+

There are bus drivers, toll takers, nurses, etc etc all working excessive OT and making more than 75k per year....are they no longer middle class due to excessive hours worked?

 

[moreluck]

Do the math, 31/hr times 40 hours for 52 weeks. How long were you a driver for? Your base was nowhere near 75+

Where's the O.T.??

 

[brett636]

Do the math, 31/hr times 40 hours for 52 weeks. How long were you a driver for? Your base was nowhere near 75+

There are bus drivers, toll takers, nurses, etc etc all working excessive OT and making more than 75k per year....are they no longer middle class due to excessive hours worked?

Out of the 200+ feeder drivers in my department I can count on one hand the number of drivers who works only 40 hours a week.

 

[ajblakejr]

Lets see how Cain is going to pick your pockets instead :

Those are all the bullet points from Cain’s plan. My thoughts/questions:

1. When he says, “ends all payroll taxes” what does that mean for Social Security?

2. He’s not clear regarding dividends but I believe he says dividends are tax free at corporate level and taxed as income at the individual level. I like this idea.

3. A 9% federal sales tax. I’m guess this would be on top of state and local taxes. That means in Texas, it would cost me 17.25% to buy something (8.25% + 9%). Not sure I like that.

4. Although I understand the rationale for ending the death tax, I can’t say that I’m 100% for complete elmination. That said, it would make planning very simple if we didn’t have the death tax.

I’m sure I have other thoughts and questions but these were what I came up with off the top of my head. Sadly, I don’t think Mr. Cain will get the nomination but I do like his ideas.
Thoughts?




Read more here (and yes, it's a pro-Cain website, too) !!!

Thoughts?

Live in my country and become a citizen - earn the right to have an opinion on our political process.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Out of the 200+ feeder drivers in my department I can count on one hand the number of drivers who works only 40 hours a week.

with 5 hours of OT a week it is under 75k/year.

You are only proving me right...UPS drivers pay IS (base, as calculated with whatever value you are going to use) well within a middle-class range.

To say that a UPS driver is not a "middle class job" is completely absurdity and insanity. Only one of the Bourgeoisies or a phony would say -worse deep down believe otherwise, using some bogus math or very basic and easily busted statistical anomalies.

 

[moreluck]

According to stats. if you make more than 75,000 a year, you are not middle class...period the end. You cannot tell me that no UPS driver makes more than 75,000 a year. They are on here bragging about laughing all the way to the bank!

 

[trplnkl]

Do the math, 31/hr times 40 hours for 52 weeks. How long were you a driver for? Your base was nowhere near 75+

There are bus drivers, toll takers, nurses, etc etc all working excessive OT and making more than 75k per year....are they no longer middle class due to excessive hours worked?

I drove for 22 years, I never made anywhere close to 100k. I never said I did. It was your buddy that made that claim and several others.

Are you a driver ?

How many drivers do you know that only work 40 hour weeks? Here they average 11 hour days.

 

[over9five]

I know 3 drivers that broke $100K last year, but all were Feeder drivers.

 

[UnconTROLLed]

I'm trying to get you (moreluck) to realize that those salary ranges are based upon a "normal" work week. Because you make 80 or 100k a week does not mean you are suddenly launched into another wealth bracket. That is Upper-Middle class, or the top of the middle class (25-100k) range. MIDDLE CLASS.

 

[moreluck]

I'm trying to get you (moreluck) to realize that those salary ranges are based upon a "normal" work week. Because you make 80 or 100k a week does not mean you are suddenly launched into another wealth bracket. That is Upper-Middle class, or the top of the middle class (25-100k) range. MIDDLE CLASS.

I was just using gov't census figures........but what the hell do they know ???

 

[toonertoo]

Two things; I think you missed my point ....I did not say that the middle class does not outnumber the lower and upper class. That is putting words in mouth. I'm not sure the exact population specs per "class", and equally so as far as voting turnout....so no, that is not what I was going for.

Another thing, moreluck is the same "math drunk" because she is trying to convince people on here that UPS drivers are not middle class when their 40 hour work week is around 62k? per year. Yeah, throw on 70 hour work weeks and holy **** ! they're living it up like Bob Gates. Did you mean Bill gates?

What a disgusting point to try to raise.

 

[toonertoo]

This tax system does not work. The underground economy pays nothing, except sales tax, and thats only when they do not steal it, instead of buy it. It is said to be revenue neutral, and yes the old tax code must be abolished before the new one can be put in effect. Im game. Ill try anything once. Time to try something new. Just the saving of the money people PAY to have their taxes done, is a boost in the economy.

 

[toonertoo]

http://dennismillerradio.com/b/Cain-Versus-Unable/144162840843406213.html

 

[wkmac]

This tax system does not work. The underground economy pays nothing, except sales tax, and thats only when they do not steal it, instead of buy it. It is said to be revenue neutral, and yes the old tax code must be abolished before the new one can be put in effect. Im game. Ill try anything once. Time to try something new. Just the saving of the money people PAY to have their taxes done, is a boost in the economy.

That's actually not true if you are willing to consider a different POV. For every dollar taken up in taxes, that is a dollar taken out of circulation within the private sector. The only way it comes back is if the gov't through planned spending flows the money back into circulation. Think a $1 in taxes from an auto repair shop ends up in the hands of a solar panel company. Get the idea?

In the underground economy, counter-economics or what some call agorism that dollar would stay in private hands and thus circulate according to voluntary exchange and not social engineering. Gov't is looking for ways to pump money into the economy to get it going, a democrat solution if you will is some direct form of handout but then that method is targeted or in otherwords, centrally planned and designed for a vote benefit to the party. Republicans want to do the same thing but they use a model of tax cuts that is targeted or centrally planned and designed for a vote benefit to the party. Both parties play this game and play it well and have done so for decades. Bothsides know to move the load you have to first grease the skids.

The underground economy by-pass these statist central planning models and allows the market and the actual parties involved to decide how the economy will move at the closest possible level to the people themselves. The more money that circulates in the underground economy, the better it really is for the average folk even though most at this time can't see it. Otherwise, it's doled out to Wall Street and Big Socialism otherwise known as big business and those crumbs known as so-called welfare is just a mask to fool boobus americanus.

If Washington won't cut the money it spends, maybe we should treat it like an unruly child and start withholding some of it's allowance while preparing at some point to withhold it all!