I drink your milkshake! a metaphor for capitalism

oldngray

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I'm sure taking a shower and going to the bathroom is fun .
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1989

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It only averaged over 16 percent for two years in the early 80s. This is classic walking to school in 20 feet of snow uphill both ways.
Over the past 45 years, interest rates on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage have ranged from as high as 18.63% in 1981 to as low as 3.31% in 2012. Mortgage rates today remain at historical lows, with over 60% of mortgage holders paying rates between 3.00% and 4.90% as of 2015. We used interest rate data from Freddie Mac's Primary Mortgage Market Survey (PMMS) to examine historical mortgage rates and the factors that have impacted their downward trend.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates#nogo
 

DriveInDriveOut

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Over the past 45 years, interest rates on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage have ranged from as high as 18.63% in 1981 to as low as 3.31% in 2012. Mortgage rates today remain at historical lows, with over 60% of mortgage holders paying rates between 3.00% and 4.90% as of 2015. We used interest rate data from Freddie Mac's Primary Mortgage Market Survey (PMMS) to examine historical mortgage rates and the factors that have impacted their downward trend.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates#nogo
And?
What I posted is true.
 
Over the past 45 years, interest rates on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage have ranged from as high as 18.63% in 1981 to as low as 3.31% in 2012. Mortgage rates today remain at historical lows, with over 60% of mortgage holders paying rates between 3.00% and 4.90% as of 2015. We used interest rate data from Freddie Mac's Primary Mortgage Market Survey (PMMS) to examine historical mortgage rates and the factors that have impacted their downward trend.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/mortgages/historical-mortgage-rates#nogo
They are still cheap right now by historical standards.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Hardly a “classic walking to school in 20 feet of snowuphill both ways.”

Here’s something that might blow your mind. People with less than perfect credit paid even more.
WDFD.
You're off topic from his point.
The cost of housing has skyrocketed.

You act like you had it tough because rates were high but the truth is you benefited from it because it kept prices low. When rates dropped your investment ballooned.

Any benefit a young person would have because of lower rates is wiped out because the prices are so high.
 

1989

Well-Known Member
WDFD.
You're off topic from his point.
The cost of housing has skyrocketed.

You act like you had it tough because rates were high but the truth is you benefited from it because it kept prices low. When rates dropped your investment ballooned.

Any benefit a young person would have because of lower rates is wiped out because the prices are so high.
Prices are always high when you are buying. Prices won’t get sky high if people didn’t pay them. I’m a buyer as price decline.
 

rickyb

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adam mckays movie the big short is about how a few people see things economically most people dont. which is really what americas history from 1940s red scare to just recently has been, when it became taboo to criticize a flawed system like capitalism.

wondering what the big meaning behind dick cheney movie was. i feel like i have ptsd from it. considering hes a war pig that was probably the intent. i feel like it really connects the star wars empire which lucas based on america, to the modern day one.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
You can explain if you ever figure it out.
Ok, let me help you get caught up.
you benefited from it because it kept prices low.
Prices won’t get sky high if people didn’t pay them.
What you missed, is that hardly anyone is buying.... What they're all actually doing is borrowing.

When interest rates to borrow drop, the demand increases, which increases housing prices.

You see, you bought when interest rates were high and demand was low. When interest rates dropped, demand increased, prices rose, and you benefited.

Now you're pretending the high rates that helped you buy low were bad for you. And at the same time you're pretending the low rates that jacked up housing prices for young people are a benefit to them and not you....

So basically you're a typical narcissistic baby boomer separated from reality.
Carry on.
 

1989

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Ok, let me help you get caught up.


What you missed, is that hardly anyone is buying.... What they're all actually doing is borrowing.

When interest rates to borrow drop, the demand increases, which increases housing prices.

You see, you bought when interest rates were high and demand was low. When interest rates dropped, demand increased, prices rose, and you benefited.

Now you're pretending the high rates that helped you buy low were bad for you. And at the same time you're pretending the low rates that jacked up housing prices for young people are a benefit to them and not you....

So basically you're a typical narcissistic baby boomer separated from reality.
Carry on.
You don’t buy/borrow on many properties, do you? Cash buyers has come down from about 27.7% last year to about 27% this year. I would hardly call that nobody. It has taken nearly 10 years of falling rates to get where we are. Low inventory has been also been a large factor the last couple years.

My residence is my lifestyle. I’m a buyer/borrower in 2019. Because it will appreciate in 20 years weather interest rates are 3% or 13%. Do you have a property for sale? I will look it over, and if it’s too much, I’ll look elsewhere.
 
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