Is anyone following Wisconsin?

804brown

Well-Known Member
804,
Typical liberal talking points. The very least you could have done was thank BUSH for you tax cut.

If Obama had his way only the tax cuts for the middle class would have been extended, but he compromised . By the way I havent seen a penny of that tax cut yet.
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
I believe Obama had a middle class tax cut also. In payroll deductions. In fact I'm almost positive of it. You may end up looking silly on this one.:wink2:

Yes it was part of the stimulus package. About a third of the $800 Billion stimulus was tax cuts. It was a good tax cut because it actually worked. When Bush jr cut taxes to "stimulate" the economy in 2008, no one spent it. But Obama's hidden tax cut ,most people didnt even realize they were getting one , but they actually brought more take home money in their weekly checks. Thankyou President Obama!
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
I like this:

Before the sudden votes, Democratic Sens. Bob Jauch said if Republicans "chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They're changing the rules. They will inflame a very frustrated public."

Thats funny...The Messiah rammed Obamacare thru but i guess that was OK. The Republicans stayed even though they could do nothing...unlike the "Fleebaggers" who ran away from Wisconsin.

Again, Obama did not ram through anything. It went threw the democratic process after running on health care reform during the election in which he won 53% of the vote. Repubs had the chance to vote and offer alternatives but they chose to do nothing but cry socialism.Obama's reforms arent perfect but they are the result of compromise with moderate repubs and conservative dems.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
gee whiz, y'all talk like everyone of them teachers is going be fired.
As taxpayers most people should be cheering that now those teachers will have to contribute some of their wages towards their benefit packages just like normal working people do.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Sure,
Then the governor would use the Jimmy Carter Plan that President Reagon used on PATCO !!
Sometimes it's worth it. From what I understand, Air Traffic Control has become high stress, low reward in the years since. I can only imagine what teaching will become. k=12 kids don't do well going into "holding patterns".
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
All I have to say is God Bless those Senators for doing what was absolutely necessary to ensure the future fiscal health of their state. FDR would applaud the work they have done!
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Again, Obama did not ram through anything. It went threw the democratic process after running on health care reform during the election in which he won 53% of the vote. Repubs had the chance to vote and offer alternatives but they chose to do nothing but cry socialism.Obama's reforms arent perfect but they are the result of compromise with moderate repubs and conservative dems.

As Nancy said, "We have to pass the bill before we know what's in it." People did not have time to read the final draft of over 2000 pages....the final was not available to the public via the internet for 72 hours like he promised. It is littered with secret :censored2: that we are just now exposing.......double accounting ring a bell?
However, the Republicans didn't run to Canada , they stood their ground, didn't have the # of votes to defeat it, and so it passed.....rammed down American's throats, but we're not swallowin" !!!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
MADISON -

Among the threats the Justice Department is investigationg is one that was emailed to Republican Senators Wednesday night. Newsradio 620 WTMJ has obtained that email.
The following is the unedited email:
Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes
will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain
to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it
will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit
that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for
more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in
the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me
have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that
support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing
with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand
for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many
others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records.
We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a
nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave
it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the
message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are
now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a
demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed
in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.
This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't
tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided
to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's
necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making
them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families
and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please
understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked
everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel
that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives
of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and
say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/117732923.html
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
If Obama had his way only the tax cuts for the middle class would have been extended, but he compromised . By the way I havent seen a penny of that tax cut yet.

804,
Thats not too bright .
I suppose you were the only Taxpayer in America that did not have your tax bill lowered by 5% for about the last seven or eight years ???? years ???
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
Sometimes it's worth it. From what I understand, Air Traffic Control has become high stress, low reward in the years since. I can only imagine what teaching will become. k=12 kids don't do well going into "holding patterns".

One thing for sure the kids cannot possibly learn LESS than they do know !!
 

The Other Side

Well-Known Troll
Troll
Well, now that the bill in wisconsin was passed through political manuevering, we can at least claim victory in knowing that the "Collective bargaining" rights of the union was the focus of the republican action in WI and not the budget as advertised.

It is clear, since all the financial aspects of the bill were stripped away and only collective bargaining left in the legislation that it was a union busting tactic and not a solution to a fiscal crisis.

Up next on the republican agenda is another attempt at overturning the fair labor standards act of 1938 and eliminating the federal minimum wage. Further, attacks on social security, medicare, vacations and overtime are on the horizon.

It will eventually touch all workers union and non union alike.

Peace.
 

Jim Kemp

Well-Known Member
gee whiz, y'all talk like everyone of them teachers is going be fired.
As taxpayers most people should be cheering that now those teachers will have to contribute some of their wages towards their benefit packages just like normal working people do.

How much do YOU contribute to you benifit package? Last I checked we contribute nothing. But come next contract I will bet you you will be paying something. And once that door is open we are all in trouble. Lucky for me I will be retired.
 

Jim Kemp

Well-Known Member
I can not believe how many union members we have Cheer leading for people that would cut your throat. What are you gonna do when UPS gets rid of your union? Do you think you will have insurance, 6 weeks vacation and 30 dollars per hour when that day comes. We had better wake up. UPS sees you as a liability not an asset. And the same goes for supervisors that think they are untouchable. UPS only cares about MONEY.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
No one is suppose to be in the State Capitol, but like the roaches from the cracks, up pops Jesse Jackson.....says he's going to escalate the demonstrations. Any more dynamic and they'd be violent. I think old Jesse would like to see some violence. Who knew he was a 'CHEESEHEAD'.

I hope they find out who is making the death threats....my bet is on union thugs!! Regular every day people are afraid their e-mail can be traced.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Yes it was part of the stimulus package. About a third of the $800 Billion stimulus was tax cuts. It was a good tax cut because it actually worked. When Bush jr cut taxes to "stimulate" the economy in 2008, no one spent it. But Obama's hidden tax cut ,most people didnt even realize they were getting one , but they actually brought more take home money in their weekly checks. Thankyou President Obama!

So I ask you again, Island. Did you thank Obama for your tax break?:happy-very: Who's not up on their tax policy now?:wink2:
 

TechGrrl

Space Cadet
I can not believe how many union members we have Cheer leading for people that would cut your throat. What are you gonna do when UPS gets rid of your union? Do you think you will have insurance, 6 weeks vacation and 30 dollars per hour when that day comes. We had better wake up. UPS sees you as a liability not an asset. And the same goes for supervisors that think they are untouchable. UPS only cares about MONEY.

You are SOOOOOO right!!! Any union member who thinks that the Teamsters Union is immune to this class warfare is in for a rude shock when the next contract comes due. UPS Teamster jobs are among the few left that pay a good wage and good benefits. That won't last. The plutocracy needs to destroy any possible opposition to their money grab, and the only organized group left to counter their purchasing of elections is organized labor. Since most Americans have had their jobs beaten down to substandard wages and few if any benefits, those who still have good jobs and benefits will be targeted. That's UPS Teamster employees, folks. But go ahead, keep drinking the Koch Kool-Aid and snipe at your fellow workers, while the Wall Street Fat Cats take home record paychecks and profits.
 
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