BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
Wrong.
Joining the Union now or wait after the year?
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PT Car Washer
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Our Union dues are 2 1/2 X your hourly rate. I thought it was in the By laws.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
I noticed you side-stepped the reason we all have a job - to get paid.
Part-timers would probably get paid more per hour if they worked for a non-union company.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
How so? This figure changes based on where you are in progression and how long you've been here, X 2.5 hours.
I made $20/hr before I went driving with health benefits. Where can you go to get that as a part timer these days?
Catatonic
Nine Lives
OK, we have had these discussions in the past.
It seems like we came up with $15/hr as the trigger for a P/T to join the Union.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
I noticed you side stepped the benefits in your equation, also the fact no one forced you to work at a union shop. By your post if paid money was all people were looking for, no one would apply at UPS for a PT job.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Maybe I was unclear, you as a PT won't pay more than a FT in dues. If you're arguing the ratio to hours available, you'd have a better argument.
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
As a PTer I am paid more per hour then all Art 22.3's and the same as a lot of FT.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
That's funny as you can simply look at McDonalds for your $15/hr arguement that employees were fighting for under a non union environment, how's that working out for them. Good thing we have contracts with strong rate increases and the guarantee of a FT job at the end of it, plus other negotiated benefits and protections, I'll take those over a stale burger at the end of the night as benefits.
All full timers have the same amount of dues.
Per ratio part timers do pay "more" but they also get more... full healthcare, vacations, etc. per less hours worked. It's a wash, just depends how you look at it.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
So where are you paying more than FT driver employees? You've been working there for years as a PT employee by choice. Am I hearing correctly you're complaining about dues being taken while you make close to $34/hr, supplied by negotiated raises from contracts, with healthcare premiums paid for, plus pension contributions, as a PT employee?
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Not all FT have the same pay rate and do not all pay the same amount of dues. I have to give it to you on the benefits side. Work one hour a week and have some of the best free healthcare available.
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Not complaining at all. A lot of drivers tell me they wish they could be in my shoes. Just saying it is not fair that a person working 20 hours a week pays more then a person working 45 hours a week. And yes I am in my position by choice.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Not sure where hours come into play, if I was FT and worked one day a week every week is still pay more than you, all things being equal in their respective top rates. Guys in FT progression could argue why should they make less per hour than a PT employee who works 1hr a week vs them who work 45hrs a week. It's the same reason you pay more in dues then they do.
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
I guess I look at it like taxes. Why should a person making 80K a year pay the same dollar amount as a person making 30K a year? Was not looking in the contract book. Dog wanted to go for a walk.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
By that mentality you should strive to have lower wages so you pay less in dues, especially if you have the opportunity to make 80k but choose not to.
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Well the Union sure took care of that problem for new hire PT. Earn minimum wage and pay minimum dues. Like I said I am in my position by choice. Not complaining. In fact I feel sorry for a lot of middle age drivers. center manager beats them like a borrowed mule and they have no recourse then to wait for a Feeder route to open.
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