Termination

[Johney]

They know better than getting me a rental
That won't end well

P*

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

P*

Legendary

 

[Johney]

Legendary P*

Yup

 

[34yearpackagehumper]

They know better than getting me a rental
That won't end well

 

[34yearpackagehumper]

They know better than getting me a rental
That won't end well

Yea I raised a little sand but it did not get me out of that u-haul . Shop stewart got involved still did not help. Me being the senior driver meant nothing to them. I will never forget those 2 peaks. Lol

 

[34yearpackagehumper]

Lot of extra sorting.

You got that right ! You put a few stops in the passenger seat but those in the cargo area still moving around .

 

[YourMissingCallTag]

I would have milked it for 8 hours

Give me a U-Haul and I’m getting 10 hours….

 

[Thebrownblob]

Give me a U-Haul and I’m getting 10 hours….

Just 10? My first few peaks were spent, in a U-Haul‘s on residential routes. It’s torture. Those stupid moving trucks are not meant to deliver out of. One of those years I’ve spent delivering in a very affluent ritzy area. Once it got dark, I got pulled over pretty much every night by the police because I thought they I was out robbing places in a U-Haul lol.

 

[34yearpackagehumper]

Just 10? My first few peaks were spent, in a U-Haul‘s on residential routes. It’s torture. Those stupid moving trucks are not meant to deliver out of. One of those years I’ve spent delivering in a very affluent ritzy area. Once it got dark, I got pulled over pretty much every night by the police because I thought they I was out robbing places in a U-Haul lol.

I got stopped once also. Deputy Sheriff was waiting at the end of a lane just as I was coming from behind a house. He says UPS has you in this today ? I just smiled and said yes and I went on my merry way .

 

[Mrs.BrownCoat]

Heck yeah. Hate to see anyone lose their livelihood. Unfortunately it’s a no win trying to help with one hand tied and blindfolded.

I hope anyone reading this remembers to bite their tongue and bridle their response

Employee was terminated. Went to hearing and they also stacked some other offenses in with the originally noted offense. Apparently employee also

Heck yeah. Hate to see anyone lose their livelihood. Unfortunately it’s a no win trying to help with one hand tied and blindfolded.

I hope anyone reading this remembers to bite their tongue and bridle their response

Employee was terminated. During the hearing they stacked another “cardinal” offense- lowering the dock plank at the customer warehouse although this has been the norm during deliveries and no one ever instructed employee to not do this.

Article 17 wording “egregious” certainly doesn’t seem to fit either scenario. No verbal or written warnings. Employee swears nothing more than the explained scenario.

Apparently union steward told employee that it would be useless to appeal case to next level for hearing. It seem the union fought very hard here.

Of course when you are forcing employees into retirement because you are automating the warehouse they are dispensable.

Be cautious, that article 17 “other cardinal offenses” serves as a convenient loophole as does their loose definition of egregious.

Still wondering if employee should request appeal. What is there to lose?

 

[MyTripisCut]

Employee was terminated. Went to hearing and they also stacked some other offenses in with the originally noted offense. Apparently employee also

Employee was terminated. During the hearing they stacked another “cardinal” offense- lowering the dock plank at the customer warehouse although this has been the norm during deliveries and no one ever instructed employee to not do this.

Article 17 wording “egregious” certainly doesn’t seem to fit either scenario. No verbal or written warnings. Employee swears nothing more than the explained scenario.

Apparently union steward told employee that it would be useless to appeal case to next level for hearing. It seem the union fought very hard here.

Of course when you are forcing employees into retirement because you are automating the warehouse they are dispensable.

Be cautious, that article 17 “other cardinal offenses” serves as a convenient loophole as does their loose definition of egregious.

Still wondering if employee should request appeal. What is there to lose?

You have probably run out of time. Call your local union immediately and ask to talk to a business agent.

 

[Brownwind]

Employee was terminated. Went to hearing and they also stacked some other offenses in with the originally noted offense. Apparently employee also

Employee was terminated. During the hearing they stacked another “cardinal” offense- lowering the dock plank at the customer warehouse although this has been the norm during deliveries and no one ever instructed employee to not do this.

Article 17 wording “egregious” certainly doesn’t seem to fit either scenario. No verbal or written warnings. Employee swears nothing more than the explained scenario.

Apparently union steward told employee that it would be useless to appeal case to next level for hearing. It seem the union fought very hard here.

Of course when you are forcing employees into retirement because you are automating the warehouse they are dispensable.

Be cautious, that article 17 “other cardinal offenses” serves as a convenient loophole as does their loose definition of egregious.

Still wondering if employee should request appeal. What is there to lose?

Appreciate the update. I will look into that article. Hope it works out for others reading this thread. We gotta be professional and not let our guard down.

 

[nWo]

They fired him for lowering the dock plank? And then his union representation said there's nothing they can do?

Sounds like he's leaving out some key details.

 

[Mrs.BrownCoat]

They fired him for lowering the dock plank? And then his union representation said there's nothing they can do?

Sounds like he's leaving out some key details.

Employee was suspended four years ago. The union told the employee that they could not investigate the accusations. The accuser would not let them come into the business to investigate. So, this employee was terminated based off of hearsay without an investigation. Not facts. Also, UPS rules say that all infractions fall off of your record after nine months. Last infraction was four years ago with this 11 year employee. Last infraction was also an issue with saying things that shouldn’t be said however if infractions fall off of the employee record after 4 years why were they able to use this to confirm the current accusations in the absence of proof. Employee called business agent who said they would not appeal again as UPS will not reinstate HOWEVER as long as employee was not flagged as a do not rehire could apply for another job there.

 

[Mrs.BrownCoat]

Appreciate the update. I will look into that article. Hope it works out for others reading this thread. We gotta be professional and not let our guard down.

UPS expects integrity out of its employees but lacks integrity in its own business practices. Their policy says infractions fall off of the record after 9 months but this employees last infraction was 4 years ago. They used that infraction to confirm hearsay about this employee without facts. The union wasn’t even allowed to investigate. Yes BE ON YOUR GUARD. Employees manager wanted reinstatement and steward told employee to bring inform to sharing. Both thought reinstating would happen. As they are pushing people to early retirements due to automation and others moving to CDL trucking jobs - everyone is dispensable. And what good is a union that isn’t allowed to investigate? Maybe something is missing in this story but if not then no one is safe. Read a story about a driver who stopped to wash his windows for safety reasons and they fired him for wasting company time. Union fought and got his job back. UPS is crooked.

 

[Mrs.BrownCoat]

UPS expects integrity out of its employees but lacks integrity in its own business practices. Their policy says infractions fall off of the record after 9 months but this employees last infraction was 4 years ago. They used that infraction to confirm hearsay about this employee without facts. The union wasn’t even allowed to investigate. Yes BE ON YOUR GUARD. Employees manager wanted reinstatement and steward told employee to bring inform to sharing. Both thought reinstating would happen. As they are pushing people to early retirements due to automation and others moving to CDL trucking jobs - everyone is dispensable. And what good is a union that isn’t allowed to investigate? Maybe something is missing in this story but if not then no one is safe. Read a story about a driver who stopped to wash his windows for safety reasons and they fired him for wasting company time. Union fought and got his job back. UPS is crooked.

Sorry: steward told employee to bring uniform to hearing

 

[Thebrownblob]

Business agents don’t investigate on sight. They are not detectives. The company would’ve supplied any evidence at the business agents request.

If it was only hearsay, no panel would uphold that.

There’s more to the story. Maybe an untimely grievance?

 

[Thebrownblob]

UPS expects integrity out of its employees but lacks integrity in its own business practices. Their policy says infractions fall off of the record after 9 months but this employees last infraction was 4 years ago. They used that infraction to confirm hearsay about this employee without facts. The union wasn’t even allowed to investigate. Yes BE ON YOUR GUARD. Employees manager wanted reinstatement and steward told employee to bring inform to sharing. Both thought reinstating would happen. As they are pushing people to early retirements due to automation and others moving to CDL trucking jobs - everyone is dispensable. And what good is a union that isn’t allowed to investigate? Maybe something is missing in this story but if not then no one is safe. Read a story about a driver who stopped to wash his windows for safety reasons and they fired him for wasting company time. Union fought and got his job back. UPS is crooked.

UPS is crooked. Yes. But this is not the way the grievance procedure works. Yes there is a lot missing here.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Sorry: steward told employee to bring uniform to hearing

Stewards and business agents do not have the final say, nor does local management. If a proper grievance was filed and it went through all the channels and steps , A panel would’ve decided this case.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Cussing excessively…..define excessively

you you son of a eat !!

Probably like that?