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[satellitedriver]

First of all, you've tagged me wrong. I voted for the OZ slate in the IBT election but I didn't bother showing up for Bernie, let alone Hillary or Biden or Trump. You think you're wise voting for this or that stupid candidate who's against "socialism" but you're being peed on just the same.

Yes, I'm in favor of businesses no longer existing. To my mind a minimal definition of communism, as I would have it, is the abolition of all wage labor. People like you pay lip service to "freedom" then think nothing of following orders all the livelong day for an employer, e.g., slaving for a wage because you think the only way to live is by "paying your dues" in order to pay the bills. Where's the freedom? You need to have the minimal means and skills to support yourself amidst a society committed to liberty in order to actually enjoy it. You'll hate to hear it, but freedom is not easy to achieve without a supportive society. We're social animals. And a supportive society is exactly we don't have. In this society we work for purposes that aren't ours just to survive. That's not freedom; you adulterate the word if you say it is.

Sorry, I did not know you had mental issue's.
I assumed you were a socialist, not a sociopath.
Some how you got deeply emotionally scarred in your past.
I have dealt with, consulted, and supported people that have this mental issue.
When you blame everything and everyone for your problems you are the center of the vortex.
Seek professional help.

 

[Whither]

People did eat for 100,000 years without the modern world we have today. They certainly had little freedom they did noting but hunt for food. Not my idea of a good time, hard pass.

Again.. if you do away with business and wage labor tomorrow then what? I’m pretty happy with what I’m doing and the rewards I get.

Yes, of course, humanity was always on the verge of starvation until the Industrial Revolution/capitalism, and the great "job creators" came to save us while making baaaaaaaaaaaaank on our backs

 

[Poop Head]

They break it down at every general membership meeting.

I know. Its online too. Or is it?

 

[Whither]

Sorry, I did not know you had mental issue's.
I assumed you were a socialist, not a sociopath.
Some how you got deeply emotionally scarred in your past.
I have dealt with, consulted, and supported people that have this mental issue.
When you blame everything and everyone for your problems you are the center of the vortex.
Seek professional help.

Now you're playing the shrink LMAO!!!! The desire for freedom is a sign of "mental illness" LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AKCoverMan]

Look at all the choices: you and I can sell ourselves this way or that way lol!!! You don't see what I'm saying. To have a real choice you would have to be able to "opt out" of the current arrangement with some viability, e.g., "vote with your feet" without the likely option being living on the streets. We don't have access to land or, for the most part, skills, without money and/or this or that form of indenture.

So what you mean is if I don’t feel like working I should have the “freedom” to just notwork without any fear of hardship?

How is that even remotely sustaining? Who pays for m6 sorry lazy ass to eat well if I am broke? Who pays for my house? C’mon man!!

 

[Whither]

So what you mean is if I don’t feel like working I should have the “freedom” to just notwork without any fear of hardship?

How is that even remotely sustaining? Who pays for m6 sorry lazy ass to eat well if I am broke? Who pays for my house? C’mon man!!

No, that's not what I mean. At all. I mean we should all enjoy the freedom to exert our efforts for purposes of our own choosing, not for the sake of companies' profits/stock prices.

 

[AKCoverMan]

Yes, of course, humanity was always on the verge of starvation until the Industrial Revolution/capitalism, and the great "job creators" came to save us while making baaaaaaaaaaaaank on our backs

Yes, the risk takers reap rewards but all of humanity benefitted. Again, give me your plan for a better way.

 

[AKCoverMan]

No, that's not what I mean. At all. I mean we should all enjoy the freedom to exert our efforts for purposes of our own choosing, not for the sake of companies' profits/stock prices.

Ok.. perfect.. that’sseems to be actually what I have!

I like my business to be profitable! Especially at contract negotiations!

 

[Nolimitz]

Spitting into the wind sounds more productive.

I snark because it's therapeutic and feels good, not because I think it makes a difference.

why dont you p_ss into the wind?

 

[AKCoverMan]

And if I don’t like helping my company make baaaaank (so I can make baaaaaank) I can choose to go work in whatever it is that does both make me happy and provide for my needs.

 

[Whither]

Yes, the risk takers reap rewards but all of humanity benefitted.

Yes, we've all benefited so much by Elon Musk's and Jeff Bozo's "innovations". Truly. How can we thank them sufficiently?

Again, give me your plan for a better way.

It is useless to give plans at this level of abstraction. Capitalism did not develop according to a "plan" either. But it did take advantage of centuries/millennia of people being used to obedience and having little sense of self-respect.

 

[burrheadd]

I know. Its online too. Or is it?

LM2’s are online breaks it down line by line

 

[Buffet Master]

why dont you p_ss into the wind?

Just don't whistle whilst doing it.

 

[satellitedriver]

No, you don't follow the point.

I did not avoid your question at all. No profits, no "businesses" as we know them, no wage labor. How do you eat? People ate for the better part of 100,000 years without "businesses", including grocery stores and farmers' markets, and without wage labor. I'm not trying to draw up a master plan. That would be foolish; things are never so simple.

If you're farming and ranching as a second job, I don't blame you. You're working all the time.

Ok,
Follow your own beliefs and quit working for the man.
Be a hunter gatherer like they did 100,000 years ago.
See how your philosophy works out.

 

[Whither]

And if I don’t like helping my company make baaaaank (so I can make baaaaaank) I can choose to go work in whatever it is that does both make me happy and provide for my needs.

Good for you. But you think that's a real exercise of choice and to me that's just a matter of course, sheer inertia. I work for company A or company B, or I manage to make enough to start company C: all 3 ways revolve around a world that has dispossessed people of land, resources, and skills, and rendered them fit only to sell their labor for a wage or else hire (exploit) others do the same.

 

[Whither]

Ok,
Follow your own beliefs and quit working for the man.
Be a hunter gatherer like they did 100,000 years ago.
See how your philosophy works out.

Gee, why didn't I already think of that! Thanks for the advice, shrink!

 

[Coldworld]

So no businesses, and no wag labor. Hmmmm.

How’s a guy supposed to get something to eat?

Gumbys World Famous BBQ, head shop and feed store….with 3 locations to serve you.

 

[Whither]

Yes ups is profitable. But the workers take over half the revenue in fact we pocket much more than the shareholders or the execs.

The link pointed out that the company had made more PROFIT in the first 9 months of this year than it ever had in an entire year. Meanwhile the company is trying to work many of us 6 days a week. And some/many cower and do it. Significantly increasing their risk of accidents and injuries, as well as endangering the general public. But all that's fine, right? Because people have a "choice" right?

 

[Coldworld]

People did eat for 100,000 years without the modern world we have today. They certainly had little freedom they did noting but hunt for food. Not my idea of a good time, hard pass.

Again.. if you do away with business and wage labor tomorrow then what? I’m pretty happy with what I’m doing and the rewards I get.

You live in a state that probably has more people living off the grid without any kinds of dependable income than all of the lower 48 states combined..

 

[Whither]

Gumbys World Famous BBQ, head shop and feed store….with 3 locations to serve you.