Management found a new loophole..

[Utahloader]

Sounds like normal operations in my building, cover drivers will sometimes have 2, 3 or even 4 diads in the morning depending on what they're doing.

Maybe so, we just got a bunch of them last peak. Just seems like Xfering is a lot easier on both ends.

 

[MC0493]

Agree 100%, pisses me off when i have to go help someone close by but have to go out of my way to go get a new diad before helping them just to make their numbers look better.

 

[brownIEman]

Long story short, I needed help finishing off my route here recently, Sup sends me a guy with a already loaded EDD of my full route. Instead of me transferring my EDD to his, he just delivers from from the already loaded EDD. I called said sup and asked why, was told it gives dispatch a raise, so it looks like nobody had to help anybody, and appears on paper that work is evened out. Also looks as if it was delivered from the original route. We don't even scan anything to transfer. Just give him the boxes and he already has a loaded EDD.. Don't get me wrong it's a hell of a lot quicker, but now it's going to mess with my numbers and Orion percentage. Also, those boxes are my responsibility until they get delivered. God forbid the help loses a box, it would come right back on me. No record of the transfer. Seems like dishonesty/falsifying numbers!? I hate to be that guy, but can anyone provide some language on this?

What @IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U said.

What you are describing has nothing to do with dishonesty, article 12, or gps. It just makes it easier to have another driver do a bunch of your route.
Your WOR will show the stops you delivered and the miles you drove, it won't care what was delivered by someone else, so it won't effect your numbers.
As soon as they sent a driver with your route downloaded to his board to take work off you management abandoned any chance to hold you accountable for any of those packages as they cannot substantiate who wound up with them. Score for you from an accountability standpoint.
Likewise, telematics and ORION will most likely be confused by the situation and provide unreliable results for the day. Again, score for you.

Now, everything I just said is based on this other driver signed into his own board just with your route downloaded into it. If he was signed into a board under your employee ID, well that's a whole different thing...

 

[Mooseknuckle]

Long story short, I needed help finishing off my route here recently, Sup sends me a guy with a already loaded EDD of my full route. Instead of me transferring my EDD to his, he just delivers from from the already loaded EDD. I called said sup and asked why, was told it gives dispatch a raise, so it looks like nobody had to help anybody, and appears on paper that work is evened out. Also looks as if it was delivered from the original route. We don't even scan anything to transfer. Just give him the boxes and he already has a loaded EDD.. Don't get me wrong it's a hell of a lot quicker, but now it's going to mess with my numbers and Orion percentage. Also, those boxes are my responsibility until they get delivered. God forbid the help loses a box, it would come right back on me. No record of the transfer. Seems like dishonesty/falsifying numbers!? I hate to be that guy, but can anyone provide some language on this?

We had security about to fire a guy for sheeting up businesses as closed a block away from the building (far from his route). The driver said it came out of his board as if it was a misload found in another truck. He got a security video from a business on his route showing he was on route and delivering his stuff at the time. Turns out it was an Onroad sheeting up left in building packages with a copied diad a block from the building. They were going to fire him for it but, when they found out who it was suddenly it's no big deal.

 

[brownIEman]

We had security about to fire a guy for sheeting up businesses as closed a block away from the building (far from his route). The driver said it came out of his board as if it was a misload found in another truck. He got a security video from a business on his route showing he was on route and delivering his stuff at the time. Turns out it was an Onroad sheeting up left in building packages with a copied diad a block from the building. They were going to fire him for it but, when they found out who it was suddenly it's no big deal.

How would he sheet left in building a block from the building they were left in??
Did he driver an ireg train down the block?

 

[Mooseknuckle]

How would he sheet left in building a block from the building they were left in??
Did he driver an ireg train down the block?

Put them in a truck and drive down the street after copying the diad. I guess so it wouldn't be obvious who did it.

 

[Utahloader]

What @IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U said.

What you are describing has nothing to do with dishonesty, article 12, or gps. It just makes it easier to have another driver do a bunch of your route.
Your WOR will show the stops you delivered and the miles you drove, it won't care what was delivered by someone else, so it won't effect your numbers.
As soon as they sent a driver with your route downloaded to his board to take work off you management abandoned any chance to hold you accountable for any of those packages as they cannot substantiate who wound up with them. Score for you from an accountability standpoint.
Likewise, telematics and ORION will most likely be confused by the situation and provide unreliable results for the day. Again, score for you.

Now, everything I just said is based on this other driver signed into his own board just with your route downloaded into it. If he was signed into a board under your employee ID, well that's a whole different thing...

If it has nothing to do with dishonesty, why try to hide it? They sent a driver from the center 45 minutes to me, and he didn't even want to, meanwhile I texted a neighbor and he was more than willing. They told me specifically to not transfer. Plus it's not easier for anyone. Have to download another EDD to a new board, and haul it to me. Could have been way simpler for everyone.

 

[brownIEman]

Put them in a truck and drive down the street after copying the diad. I guess so it wouldn't be obvious who did it.

I'm guessing he either knew somebody or blew somebody. Any sup doing that in my district would have been fired. Any manager telling me to do that would have been invited to kiss my ass.

 

[Mooseknuckle]

I'm guessing he either knew somebody or blew somebody. Any sup doing that in my district would have been fired. Any manager telling me to do that would have been invited to kiss my ass.

Wish it was that way here. I don't know that they could prove who it was but, when they found out it was a copied diad everyone immediately knew who it was. This dude has done far worse and got away with it.

 

[Utahloader]

We had security about to fire a guy for sheeting up businesses as closed a block away from the building (far from his route). The driver said it came out of his board as if it was a misload found in another truck. He got a security video from a business on his route showing he was on route and delivering his stuff at the time. Turns out it was an Onroad sheeting up left in building packages with a copied diad a block from the building. They were going to fire him for it but, when they found out who it was suddenly it's no big deal.

Wow..

 

[brownIEman]

If it has nothing to do with dishonesty, why try to hide it? They sent a driver from the center 45 minutes to me, and he didn't even want to, meanwhile I texted a neighbor and he was more than willing. They told me specifically to not transfer. Plus it's not easier for anyone. Have to download another EDD to a new board, and haul it to me. Could have been way simpler for everyone.

If you're both signed into boards with your own ID's, it's not hiding anything. Downloading a route to a DIAD is a trivial process that takes about 4 minutes. GTS will show two drivers that both delivered stops off route 11C or whatever.
From a dispatch standpoint, it makes results for 11C for that day tough to gauge. However, at least that just slants the results for one route. If the guy next to you in 11B comes to help, it means both of you delivered different stops/volume than you were dispatched with and slants the results for 2 routes not just one.

 

[Utahloader]

If you're both signed into boards with your own ID's, it's not hiding anything. Downloading a route to a DIAD is a trivial process that takes about 4 minutes. GTS will show two drivers that both delivered stops off route 11C or whatever.
From a dispatch standpoint, it makes results for 11C for that day tough to gauge. However, at least that just slants the results for one route. If the guy next to you in 11B comes to help, it means both of you delivered different stops/volume than you were dispatched with and slants the results for 2 routes not just one.

Right so.. numbers lol.

 

[Mugarolla]

Let me explain it this way, it's blatantly dishonest and a contractual violation.

If I catch wind of it in my building, and I have, someone will be fired and the other will be placed on "special assignment" temporarily (suspended).

GPS is a wonderful tool in proving managerial dishonesty.

....you just have to push the right buttons to expose it.

We all know they lie, cheat and steal. They have to in order to hit their unattainable numbers.

But it is their Company.

We all know there are 2 sets of rules. One for us and one for them.

But it is their Company.

You don't think Atlanta doesn't know what's happening?

They know, and only "special assign" when they're called out.

I don't care what they do with their numbers, as long as it does not affect a paid day or put a driver at risk in one way or another.

It's their Company.

 

[brownIEman]

We had security about to fire a guy for sheeting up businesses as closed a block away from the building (far from his route). The driver said it came out of his board as if it was a misload found in another truck. He got a security video from a business on his route showing he was on route and delivering his stuff at the time. Turns out it was an Onroad sheeting up left in building packages with a copied diad a block from the building. They were going to fire him for it but, when they found out who it was suddenly it's no big deal.

In DCS, every board's information is given a unique identifier when it is uploaded to the system. So even "cloned" boards will have different upload identifiers for that day. If security is going to try and fire a driver they would have to pull the delivery records from DCS as part of the process and would immediately see the packages sheeted closed were not sheeted by the drivers board that day

 

[Utahloader]

Sounds like normal operations in my building, cover drivers will sometimes have 2, 3 or even 4 diads in the morning depending on what they're doing.

I would have nightmares after hearing all those alerts and seeing the lights.

 

[brownIEman]

Right so.. numbers lol.

Not your numbers. The numbers used for dispatch planning. That's why I said from a dispatch stand point. Won't effect your performance numbers nor certainly your pay. So why would you care?

 

[Utahloader]

We all know they lie, cheat and steal. They as long as it does not affect a paid day or put a driver at risk in one way or another.

Not your numbers. The numbers used for dispatch planning. That's why I said from a dispatch stand point. Won't effect your performance numbers nor certainly your pay. So why would you care?

Because when you still have a packed truck it's nice to know that I gave him everything I meant to give him, or if I will have to loop back and deliver the three boxes that my loader decided that 7000 looked a lot like 4476

 

[Bubblehead]

It's their Company.

If that helps you sleep....ok???

But in reality, that is not entirely the case.

They sell us stock, when once they didn't....
They bargain with us "collectively", at least they used to....

I choose to believe, at least in part, that makes it "our Company".

 

[brownIEman]

We all know they lie, cheat and steal. They have to in order to hit their attainable numbers.

But it is their Company.

We all know there are 2 sets of rules. One for us and one for them.

But it is their Company.

You don't think Atlanta doesn't know what's happening?

They know, and only "special assign" when they're called out.

I don't care what they do with their numbers, as long as it does not affect a paid day or put a driver at risk in one way or another.

Why are you trying to dampen bubble's thunder when he's charging into a righteous crusade against management?

Here's what likely happened. Driver needed help. Had a driver willing to work part of a day just to go help. So the center sent said driver to help with the same route downloaded to his board so 1) easier to transfer work, 2) it does not look like the center dispatched an additional route that day (which they did not in fact do).

This could be a case of the center manipulating the system to actually make the reports closer to reality, and therefore more honest than they would otherwise be. It could also be the center trying to hide shenanigans. Hard to tell with the information present.

Either way, if there is dishonesty, it is between one level of management and another. To @Mugarolla 's point, no drivers paycheck will be harmed in the making of this days dispatch. So, any worry over it, and any righteous indignation fired up over it are both a compete waste of energy.

 

[brownIEman]

Because when you still have a packed truck it's nice to know that I gave him everything I meant to give him, or if I will have to loop back and deliver the three boxes that my loader decided that 7000 looked a lot like 4476

Fair point. I can see how that would suck...