New tdu article on halt to ratification

[Wontmake9.5]

The bad thing is Ole Taylor came out and said he will pass it so what possible leverage would we have against ups. The answer is none

 

[Delivery!!!]

The bad thing is Ole Taylor came out and said he will pass it so what possible leverage would we have against ups. The answer is none

Wrong, it's called a strike.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

Wrong, it's called a strike.

You need a union that backs it’s members to strike. The union said they will ratify the contract you honestly think they will order a strike lol. Serious question? You honestly believe that?

 

[Smashmouth]

Actually, I think they do. Article XII, Section 6 was used to pack supplemental agreements into the asses of 3 supplemental/local regions in 2014, so there's also no reason it can't be used to changed the Article XII language to allow for a simple majority to reject the contract. That power is in the General Executive Board's hands. Hopefully it happens.

The time is NOW to phone bomb, fax bomb you local and demand they fix this. I dont think withdrawal is the answer, but certainly mass threat of withdrawal may get someone’s attention!

 

[Brownslave688]

That is open to interpretation.

Extremely vague language that could lead to it being tied up in court for a very long time I imagine.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

But certainly mass threat of withdrawal may get someone’s attention!

If people (won't call them members) want to leave.... OK.

Now the Local has to layoff BA's and secretarial staff.


Maybe your grievance will get heard, 2 years from now.

Extremely vague language that could lead to it being tied up in court for a very long time I imagine.

Going to court ?

Wake me up, when that happens.



-Bug-

 

[Mugarolla]

Honestly, I prefer your interpretation. I hope it's correct.

I also prefer @DriveInDriveOut interpretation.

I don't agree, but who are we?

We will just have to wait and see if the lawyers, the courts, or the NLRB interpret it differently, if it even goes that far.

We aren't going to change his mind andhe isn't going to change ours.

 

[Coldworld]

The company announced it on their website immediately after the tally

Probably a knee jerk reaction to keep the customers informed that ups wasn’t going on strike... but I doubt the company really knew what was going on.. just a 3 ring circus

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I also prefer @DriveInDriveOut interpretation.

I don't agree, but who are we?

My interpretation is that Hoffa is choosing to impose the contract. Not sure how you could disagree, but ok....

 

[Mugarolla]

That's section a.
It says when no more negotiations can take place, use section d to determine vote outcome.

This is section b.
You'll notice no mention of voter participation.

(b). If a majority of the votes cast by the involved membership approve such agreement, it shall become binding and effective upon all Local Unions involved and their members.

You are correct.

But, a majority of votes cast did not approve it.

It does not state that a majority of no votes can reject it.

 

[Mugarolla]

The company announced it on their website immediately after the tally

Your forgetting about Section 1 of Article XXII

The Local Union Executive Board shall determine whether an employer has made a final offer of settlement, regardless of the employer’s characterization. When the Local Union Executive Board has determined that an offer is “final”, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided

 

[Mugarolla]

My interpretation is that Hoffa is choosing to impose the contract. Not sure how you could disagree, but ok....

I think he is choosing to enforce the IBT Constitution, as I interpret it.

We shall see if people higher than our pay grade interpret any different.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You are correct.

But, a majority of votes cast did not approve it.

It does not state that a majority of no votes can reject it.

Lmao.
If it's not approved then it is rejected.

 

[just chillin']

regardless of what i think final offer is or means, my new president does NOT think it is a final offer. im more confused now than ever. maybe i shouda studied rocket science and brain surgery like my mom said

Home - Teamsters Local 804

 

[Mugarolla]

Lmao.
If it's not approved then it is rejected.

Does not say that.

It then goes to the 2/3 to reject it.

 

[Mugarolla]

regardless of what i think final offer is or means, my new president does NOT think it is a final offer. im more confused now than ever. maybe i shouda studied rocket science and brain surgery like my mom said

Home - Teamsters Local 804

Apparently your president forgot about Section 1 of Article XXII

The Local Union Executive Board shall determine whether an employer has made a final offer of settlement, regardless of the employer’s characterization. When the Local Union Executive Board has determined that an offer is “final”, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided

I will agree with his last statement that Hoffa should, or should have, informed us of the IBT Constitution and let us know that it was a final offer.

Did he have to....No

Should he have...Yes

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Does not say that.

It then goes to the 2/3 to reject it.

Nah, that section is for final offers.

 

[just chillin']

Apparently your president forgot about Section 1 of Article XXII

The Local Union Executive Board shall , regardless of the employer’s characterization. When the Local Union Executive Board has determined that an offer is “final”, such offer must be submitted to the involved membership for a secret ballot vote as hereinafter provided

I will agree with his last statement that Hoffa should, or should have, informed us of the IBT Constitution and let us know that it was a final offer.

Did he have to....No

Should he have...Yes

yeah i guess he means that our Local Union Executive Board did not determine whether an employer has made a final offer of settlement

the more i read the constitution, the more it seems to contradict itself and in more than one area

 

[Brownslave688]

Going to court ?

Wake me up, when that happens.



-Bug-

You don't think there will be lawsuits and labor charges over this? I'd say that's pretty optimistic.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Apparently your president forgot about Section 1 of Article XXII

You're in the wrong section.