Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Cannot disagree with that statement. But it is what they did.
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Cannot disagree with that statement. But it is what they did.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
For starters this all played out pretty publicly until Taylor kicked everyone out that was leaking info. From there it isn't that hard to connect the dots is it?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
The Constitution says use section d when it is a final offer. It does not say every offer is a final offer. Section b is not for final offers, it says majority vote wins, regardless of voter participation.
Link me to a press release by the IBT stating this was a final offer.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Or the company
1989
Well-Known Member
Soooo.....that’s a no..... you are relying in 2nd hand information. Just trying to figure out if your information is reliable.
LagunaBrown
Well-Known Member
Take that to the TDU lawyers because you might have just blown this whole thing wide open. I will call the media!
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Considering everything leaked ended up in the contract...
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
How will they be able to understand anything you say with Hoffa's hot load in your mouth?
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
There is none. I already stated that I believe Hoffa kept this secret in his back pocket as a wild card.
Per the IBT Constitution, he was not required to inform us if this was a final offer.
Why would the negotiating committee bring us an offer if they felt they could do better? If they felt that this was not a final offer by UPS?
Doesn't make sense. They would have just kept negotiating.
The only thing that makes sense is that the negotiating committee determined this was a final offer by UPS, and they could do no better.
And again, they do not have to have a press release stating the fact.
Should they have, hell yes. Does the Constitution require it, no.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
There's always meat left on the bone. For situations just like these.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
So you think every vote is a vote of whether or not to go on strike?
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
If the negotiating committee brings us an offer, they are bringing it as final offer because that is what it is, they know they can do no better.
They would not bring us an offer if they know they can do better.
If we turn it down, by a 2/3 majority, depending on how many vote, then yes, it authorizes the Union to strike, as they see fit, per the Constitution.
1989
Well-Known Member
Everything leaked with drama behind it. There is a difference.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
So that's a yes, you think the vote we took was a vote to either strike or accept the agreement?
just chillin'
Rest in peace wooba
we need a white board youtube video breaking down article 12 line by line!
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Drama doesn't somehow make it false info.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Nope.
It was a vote to accept or to "authorize" a strike, if warranted, by the General President. We already gave him that authorization, but the Constitution did not know that.
You seem to have read the Constitution.
voting against acceptance of the final offer shall authorize a strike without any additional vote being necessary for such strike authorization.
Once a strike is called, a contract thereafter may be accepted by a majority vote of the involved members voting either by secret ballot or by mail referendum as directed by the bargaining committee.
LagunaBrown
Well-Known Member
So stupid. Like you. You make up
and believe yourself.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Uh, wut?
The Constitution did not know that?
Lol, it wasn't a vote on a final offer.
The company announced they were open to continue negotiations. Enough of the political bs.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
And this is what a final offer is. The THIRD offer. If we vote down a 3rd offer we go on strike. The president does not need strike authorization. It says it right there.
Hoffa could not have called a strike after this vote unless we had given him strike authorization. Hence it not being a final offer.
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