New tdu article on halt to ratification

[DriveInDriveOut]

So stupid. Like you.

 

[LagunaBrown]

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Lookout for @DriveInDriveOut.....

 

[LagunaBrown]

The Constitution says use section d when it is a final offer. It does not say every offer is a final offer. Section b is not for final offers, it says majority vote wins, regardless of voter participation.

Link me to a press release by the IBT stating this was a final offer.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I'll try one more time.

Union: We want $1 raise
UPS: We gave you $0.80 and that's all we're going to give you.
Union: We want $1
UPS: No
Union: We want $1
UPS: No

The negotiating committee tells the Executive Board that that's all UPS is going to give us.

You don't consider that a final offer?

Well, it is.

@DriveInDriveOut

 

[LagunaBrown]

@DriveInDriveOut

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

lulz
looks like if i ever want to visit the west coast ive got a little shop steward out there who has a crush on me. hey laguna, do you you spit or swallow?

 

[LagunaBrown]

lulz
looks like if i ever want to visit the west coast ive got a little shop steward out there who has a crush on me. hey laguna, do you you spit or swallow?

You would probably get lost trying to find the front door.

 

[LagunaBrown]

My interpretation is that Hoffa is choosing to impose the contract. Not sure how you could disagree, but ok....

Your interpretation is 2+2=5

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You would probably get lost trying to find the front door.

No problem I'll just bend you over and use your backdoor like Hoffa and Sean.

 

[Mugarolla]

And this is what a final offer is. The THIRD offer. If we vote down a 3rd offer we go on strike.

Huh?

Where does it say that?

Or are you just making things up?

I quote the Constitution, whether I like the language or not.

 

[Brownslave688]

Huh?

Where does it say that?

Or are you just making things up?

I quote the Constitution, whether I like the language or not.

It clearly says strike authorization is not required to strike after a final offer vote.

 

[Mugarolla]

It clearly says strike authorization is not required to strike after a final offer vote.

OK?

Yes, Hoffa was able to call a strike before he imposed the contract.

Why do you think UPS was so willing to make an announcement right after the vote count?

They did not want Hoffa calling a strike. They told him they were willing to renegotiate. Doesn't mean the negotiating committee didn't think the last offer was not a final offer when they offered it to us to vote on.

By the way, the same went for freight. Hoffa can call a strike, but UPS is willing to sit back down, so why call a strike?

 

[hellfire]

lulz
looks like if i ever want to visit the west coast ive got a little shop steward out there who has a crush on me. hey laguna, do you you spit or swallow?

Are you 12. Look at your responses.. Embarrassing

 

[Brownslave688]

OK?

Yes, Hoffa was able to call a strike before he imposed the contract.

Why do you think UPS was so willing to make an announcement right after the vote count?

They did not want Hoffa calling a strike. They told him they were willing to renegotiate. Doesn't mean the negotiating committee didn't think the last offer was not a final offer when they offered it to us to vote on.

By the way, the same went for freight. Hoffa can call a strike, but UPS is willing to sit back down, so why call a strike?

But he needed strike authorization to call a strike after this vote. That vote being taken before the contract vote doesn't make it a final offer. Without the strike authorization he wouldn't have the ability to call a strike.


On a final offer vote he has the authority to call a strike without a strike authorization vote.

Are you getting the distinction? It's all right there in the constitution.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Are you 12. Look at your responses.. Embarrassing

Welcome to the internet face.
If you came here for intellectual stimulation you're dumber than a brick. This is a playground.

 

[oldupsman]

There's a lot of pressure coming from other places. This was a real chance for the labor movement,which
really needs a shot in the arm right now, to make some noise and the IBT rolled over and played dead.
This is strictly my opinion. I have no knowledge of such a thing happening.
People like the AFL-CIO, SEIU, UAW, were looking for some kind stand. I wouldn't
be the least bit surprised that these VP's who are fighting this got phone calls from all these orginazations.

This affects every member of every union everywhere. Every company out there now thinks they're going to be
able to pull something like this off, constitution be damned. It just sets a horrible precedent.

 

[cachmeifucan]

lulz
looks like if i ever want to visit the west coast ive got a little shop steward out there who has a crush on me. hey laguna, do you you spit or swallow?

He do whatever you tell him he a yes man

 

[cachmeifucan]

The mechanics union was on strike for weeks they ended up winning a better contract and the dealership owners the multi millionaires they are had to pay a fair wage.il never buy a car from a non union place.

 

[Mugarolla]

But he needed strike authorization to call a strike after this vote.

Who says?

 

[hellfire]

Welcome to the internet face.
If you came here for intellectual stimulation you're dumber than a brick. This is a playground.

Sure thing, keep representing YOUR union in this manner, if will pay dividends